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February 27, 2011
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phild31 wrote:

Yes that's just what it did, so I adjusted the route on VP for every turn.
If you start the route at the start point, not somewhere else, it seems to follow it as planned.

A bit more tweaking and I'm sure we can figure the best way to set it up, but it seems to work.

Agreed, knowing how City Series is going to route is powerful information and will avoid surprises during a bike ride B)

February 27, 2011
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Yes that's just what it did, so I adjusted the route on VP for every turn.
If you start the route at the start point, not somewhere else, it seems to follow it as planned.

A bit more tweaking and I'm sure we can figure the best way to set it up, but it seems to work.

When in trouble or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout

February 27, 2011
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One last thing we should probably confirm--City Series might simply pull the first and last waypoints from the route and do its own routing . . . :unsure: And by matching the route to City Series directions, it will appear that it is giving turn-by-turn for that route.

February 27, 2011
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You're welcome!

You are gonna love the 710, it's simply the best GPSr I've used or seen.
Now I just have to wait till March 21 for RAM to release their new mount for the 710 to put it on my bike.

Phil

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February 27, 2011
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phild31 wrote:

YES it will work! :woohoo:
I created a route, had VP calculate turn-by-turn and adjusted my points on the map to match then saved the route.
Then I transferred the route to my 710, brought up the route and got driving directions for it!

It will take a bit of work to put a point at each turn on the VP map but for a bicycle route it won't be too bad.

Thanks for the questions, I wouldn't have tried this otherwise. :blush:

phild31,

That is AWESOME!! Thank you so much for trying this out--I'll be trading in my T500 on Monday for eXplorist 710 😉 You're absolutely right, this should be relatively easy for bike route. It is hard biking and reading directions at the same time, I'll never have to be lost again while riding and won't need to stop at every intersection!!

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February 27, 2011
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Oh yeah, you can create a track with the 710 while riding and save it as a route for later use.

This 710 keeps impressing me with what I can do with it!

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February 27, 2011
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corbs2002 wrote:

I found the following in the Vantage Point user guide. Looks like Vantage Point might have capability to create exact route before hand and then get turn-by-turn directions during trip (see bold text). I would love to confirm if this works in City Series!!

YES it will work! :woohoo:
I created a route, had VP calculate turn-by-turn and adjusted my points on the map to match then saved the route.
Then I transferred the route to my 710, brought up the route and got driving directions for it!

It will take a bit of work to put a point at each turn on the VP map but for a bicycle route it won't be too bad.

Thanks for the questions, I wouldn't have tried this otherwise. :blush:

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February 27, 2011
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I found the following in the Vantage Point user guide. Looks like Vantage Point might have capability to create exact route before hand and then get turn-by-turn directions during trip (see bold text). I would love to confirm if this works in City Series!! Maybe I am getting my hopes up, but I am thinking that the planning feature can create a turn-by-turn route between two waypoints and then string together a few of these turn-by-turn route together to come up with a single route that closely matches desired streets to follow. Might be a lot of work, but usually <40 turns in any given bike ride.
From the Vantage Point user guide:

Planner Tab

The route Planning Tab helps map an upcoming hike or adventure. Use the tools below to create a
route with waypoints and points of interest:
Tools

• The Planner feature allows the user to create routes, starting by clicking Create tool
icon.
– Add points by clicking on the map
– Drag and Drop search results from Search window
• If a Street Map is active, the user can calculate a route based on preferred routing
method and receive maneuvers and turn-by-turn directions

• The Caches Along a Route Feature will find all local geocaches that exist in your
VantagePoint Library.
• The Preferences item allows the user to define preferred routing method

February 26, 2011
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I don't think you can create a city series route in VP.
But I haven't thought to try.
If I get the time in the next few days I'll try it.

Meanwhile here's a couple of screen shots;
The first is in bicycle mode;

The next is in vehicle mode - note the miles and time;

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February 26, 2011
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phild31 wrote:

I haven't tried saving a turn by turn route, and I'm not sure we can.
But I have tried driving directions while in bicycle mode, then the same route in pedestrian mode & then again in vehicle mode.
It gave me different directions in each mode, each appropriate for that mode.
Some examples - it won't put me on a road that that bicycles are not allowed on while in bicycle mode, but will put me on bicycle paths.
It will ignore one way street signs while in pedestrian mode.

Great to know! That's another feature that would be very helpful, especially when I am trying to get home quick when it's raining :cheer: I have been reading that City Series is one of the best turn-by-turn navigators in getting the streets right, not taking you the wrong way down one-ways, etc. I am also interested in following pre-planned route, so biking more for touring rather than just trying to get from one point to another. If I could create these "pre-planned" routes in City Series in Vantage Point before the ride and get turn-by-turn for this route, I would be sold on buying 710 😉

February 26, 2011
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I haven't tried saving a turn by turn route, and I'm not sure we can.
But I have tried driving directions while in bicycle mode, then the same route in pedestrian mode & then again in vehicle mode.
It gave me different directions in each mode, each appropriate for that mode.
Some examples - it won't put me on a road that that bicycles are not allowed on while in bicycle mode, but will put me on bicycle paths.
It will ignore one way street signs while in pedestrian mode.

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February 26, 2011
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One other question for 710 owners. Are you able to create your route before hand in City Series on PC that you can then follow in car turn-by-turn? If I could create routes beforehand (and be able to pick streets I want to follow), that could work pretty well on bicycle and wouldn't necessarily need navigation from waypoint to waypoint. Thoughts?

February 21, 2011
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Sockeye wrote:

Hi,

you will be able to follow your routes, but you will not get "turn-by-turn" directions. This information is created from the routing data layer of the map includes in the 710 and only contains road info. This means your created or downloaded route does not have this information and therfore the nice lady will not tell you to turn right in 1000ft.

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Thanks Sockeye,

Magellan is also saying the same thing that turn-by-turn (i.e., City Series) and point-by-point (i.e., tracks and waypoints) are currently incompatible. While they are compatible in some cycle-specific GPS units, those units are nearly the same price as the 710 and not nearly as cool! Oh well, the technology is rapidly improving, so I'll keep checking back in 😉

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February 21, 2011
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corbs2002 wrote:

How about if you select tracks or routes? The reason I ask is that I am thinking about buying the 710 to download from MapMyRide.com or creating my own routes and then using the 710 to give me turn-by-turn directions using these routes when road biking. Is this possible?

Hi,

you will be able to follow your routes, but you will not get "turn-by-turn" directions. This information is created from the routing data layer of the map included in the 710 and only contains road info. This means your created or downloaded route does not have this information and therfore the nice lady will not tell you to turn right in 1000ft.

BR
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February 21, 2011
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Thanks for the quick reply denisetdoris! That makes sense that the "language" of turn-by-turn is routes.

February 21, 2011
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I would think that when you select one of the routes you made or tracks you made, it would follow that track from one track point to the next, just like most GPS units would. The turn-by-turn works to CREATE a route for you to follow, based on start and end points.

Your tracks will do the same, but will follow the waypoints you've created while building the track.

Denis Gionet, OGA Executive Member - Northern Ontario.

February 21, 2011
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Hi Brent, great info!! One question on navigation, you said that if POI, Waypoint or Geocash is selected, that the 710 will do turn-by-turn vehicle routing. How about if you select tracks or routes? The reason I ask is that I am thinking about buying the 710 to download from MapMyRide.com or creating my own routes and then using the 710 to give me turn-by-turn directions using these routes when road biking. Is this possible?

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