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Steffen I mess up your message about which side has the sensor
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December 9, 2012
2:13 pm
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Check.

The prototype device is out of comparison. I wonder, why my X710 was running "normal", where I used to keep the batteries in until now and I never had this drain. Suddenly I had a pair of 0,89 V discharged rechargeables and a drain issue.

Verry strange.

Lets see, which information David can get.

Thanks for discussing this.

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December 9, 2012
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S!G said
Yes, off on the X710

and no idea on the beta, since it is in the Iboot failure screen.

 

When connecting USB power to the 710, the reading on the battery side drops "down" to 1,2 mA.

I made some mesurings with both powered the sensores on and off and there was no effect on the battery reading when powered down. Both exactly the same.

Steffen,

All this suggests and I say SUGGESTS is that the PCB may have a circuit which is different for the sensor used.

Unfortunately, we do not have a PCB with the version you have to do any experiments.

I would expect the measurements to be the same with the sensors on and off, but had to ask the question.

The iboot is a prototype and is not a baseline standard.  Please dismiss all thoughts of this type of comparison with any measurements from the Beta unit.

JG

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December 9, 2012
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Yes, off on the X710

and no idea on the beta, since it is in the Iboot failure screen.

 

When connecting USB power to the 710, the reading on the battery side drops "down" to 1,2 mA.

I made some mesurings with both powered the sensores on and off and there was no effect on the battery reading when powered down. Both exactly the same.

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December 9, 2012
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S!G said
My Beta device - running with X610 software has the blue sensor with a R02 board.

reading 3.4 mA when powered off at 2.54V

 

The 710 device has a R06 board with a black sensor.

reading 1.4 mA when powered off at 2.54V

 

I will not solder anything, until someone can tell me, that there is a true chance for not wrecking the X710

Steffen,

Assuming that when you powered down the GPS and you had set the sensors both to OFF and if your drainage measurements are the same.

Then it may be the PCB and the sensor on it.

I agree .. never make a component change that is wired into the PCB without knowing the possible effects.

JG

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December 9, 2012
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My Beta device - running with X610 software has the blue sensor with a R02 board.

reading 3.4 mA when powered off at 2.54V

 

The 710 device has a R06 board with a black sensor.

reading 1.4 mA when powered off at 2.54V

 

I will not solder anything, until someone can tell me, that there is a true chance for not wrecking the X710

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December 9, 2012
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S!G said
OK, the beta device has a blue sensor. How difficult is it, to exchange both? Simply soldering the two contacts? Sure, it is SMD, what i've never done before, but it should be big enough for me.

Will the R06 board from the x710 work with the blue sensor from the other device (when soldering done properly)?

Steffen,

Unfortunately, we have limited information on this subject.

All we can tell you is that R00, R01 and R04 have the black banded sensor.  R03 has the blue.

As for interchangeability .. this is a question for Magellan to answer.  Now you must answer the question of which device has the lowest drain.  If it is the Black Sensor or the Blue Sensor?

I would not change any sensors until David asks Magellan to confirm that the blue unit is the correct one.

The two sensors are different.  The circuit of the black sensor has a series of contacts built into the PCB.  Apparently this sensor cannot make metallic contact because of a piece of mylar tape over the sensor.

The blue sensor PCB has no contacts built into the board and just is pressed again the PCB.

Which brings us to the question of whether the contacts on the PCB board are accidentally connecting to the sensor and causing the problem.  Wer Kennt?

JG

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December 9, 2012
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OK, the beta device has a blue sensor. How difficult is it, to exchange both? Simply soldering the two contacts? Sure, it is SMD, what i've never done before, but it should be big enough for me.

Will the R06 board from the x710 work with the blue sensor from the other device (when soldering done properly)?

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December 9, 2012
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OK, I'll take a look on the beta device later this evening.

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December 9, 2012
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S!G said
My sensor on the X710 is black, exactly like on your picture. My PCB is also R 6. I havn't looked on the XBeta device right now.

Steffen,

According to our observations and findings .. you want the sensor with the BLUE band.

Black is a "bad boy".

Now if David could have Magellan confirm this finding.  Life would be easier for the repairing of the units.

JG

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December 9, 2012
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My sensor on the X710 is black, exactly like on your picture. My PCB is also R 6. I havn't looked on the XBeta device right now.

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December 8, 2012
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Steffen,

The sensors are on the display side.

Please go to http://www.jungleghost.com and look down the page until you see

Click Here to see the 610 Unit

Click Here to see the 710 Unit

Hyperlinked to this are the images.  The sensor looks like a spaceship with two heavy leads soldered to the PCB.

JG

 

 

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