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Explorist 710: Going from hiking to driving
January 11, 2012
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I don't cycle through the geocaching profile, but a few times I didn't hit the vehicle button properly and it didn't reset the turn x turn, so I got into the habit of lighting the geocaching or any other radio button then lighting the vehicle button.

I'm always changing maps to see different views of the area I'm in so I just hit the geocaching then the vehicle button, then if it doesn't work I remember to turn on the City Series map. :blush:

Graham, you're right, another question box to reset turn x turn would be a good improvement.

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January 11, 2012
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You can do point 2 point or turn x turn in any profile as long as you have the correct map activated. You can switch between the two at any time while in an active route by going to the "route options". The selected profile is only changed if you manually change it. The route option will change when the unit asks you if you want to or if you manually change it. So if you or it changed during a route, you must manually change it back for the next route if that is what you want. If she's not talking to me on the next route, then I remember that I need to change it back.

January 11, 2012
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Guys,

You don’t have to change to Geocaching profile. When you answer ‘Yes’, the GPSr is automatically switched to point-to-point mode so you can find the cache.

The underlying profile has not changed, if you look in the profile page the Vehicle profile is still highlighted but turn-by-turn has been deactivated. Therefore after finding the cache you have reactivate turn-by-turn by pressing the Vehicle profile button again. You do not need to cycle it through Geocaching profile to make this happen, just press the Vehicle profile button and turn-by-turn is reactivated.

The unit did not change from vehicle profile only turn-by-turn was deactivated. That is why I suggest a simple firmware change could reactivate turn-by-turn after the cache is found. It could be done automatically or another question box could be added after the one that asks if you would like to ‘Enter Comments’.

Graham.

January 11, 2012
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No, my profile button is still in vehicle but it won't do turn x turn unless I change it to geocaching and back to vehicle.
That's why I change it to geocaching instead of picking 'yes' for point to point.

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January 11, 2012
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I think I know what's happening. I think the units that you guys have is doing something different than mine. When I say "yes" to go to point-to-point after arriving, my unit remains in "vehicle" profile. In other words, if I hit yes on point to point and then go get the geocache and then pull up "profiles", the radio button is still in the vehicle profile. I think when you guys press yes to point-to-point, your radio button would be in the geocaching profile. At least that's what it sounds like.

January 10, 2012
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Yeah, but when you press yes for point to point it has to go to a hiking/geocaching mode.
That can not be done in vehicle mode.
Vehicle mode gives you turn x turn driving directions, the simple firmware change isn't as simple as you hope.

Right now the simplest way is to set a side button for 'Profiles', then press button, pick profile, press button again and you are back to the original page.
No pain at all.

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January 10, 2012
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If you answer ‘Yes’ and then change the profile to Geocaching you will still have the blue line as long as your Geocaching profile has the ‘Point Destination Line’ (the blue line) set to ‘On’.

You don’t need to change the profile to Geocaching, by answering ‘Yes’ you are automatically in point to point mode.

The only issue is after finding the cache you have to go into the profile page and press the ‘Vehicle’ button to reactivate turn-by-turn. That I find is a pain in the butt if you are going multiple caches in the suburbs using turn-by-turn. As I said previously, this could be overcome with a simple firmware change.

Graham.

January 10, 2012
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Yeah, I should have asked differently because I've already got the profiles set up. Sorry about that. I guess my main question is what it does with the blue line. If I say "yes" to point-to-point and then change the profile to "geocaching", I assume I'll still have the blue line to the cache but don't know for sure. I can definitely try it one day, but asking in this forum is so much more fun and documentable! I have benefited greatly from this forum!

January 10, 2012
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It'll change to the settings you've set up in GC profile... Map in 2d or 3d, North up or Track up, data fields for GC that you set up, Different map options (exclusive or hybrid), Normal arrow or Smart arrow, auto zoom, etc.

The profiles are adjustable to fit what you're doing at that particular moment, so adjust each profile's settings for what you intend to do with that profile. Make it a more useful tool for yourself !

Denis Gionet, OGA Executive Member - Northern Ontario.

January 10, 2012
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Thanks. If you say "yes" to point to point and then change profile to geocaching, what does it do? Does it do anything different than if you leave it in vehicle profile?

January 10, 2012
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That sounds about right, when you say yes to point to point it won't go back to vehicle itself, you have to do that.
If you answer no for the point to point it will cancel the route, I think.
I usually say yes, then change profile to geocaching.
Also, I never say yes to next closest, it used to cause problems before the last update and I got into the habit of saying no.

Sometimes I forget exactly why I have things set-up the way I do, I'm so used to it by now.
Get comfortable with a set-up, then later when you have the time you can experiment with different settings & techniques.
Just try to remember your favorite settings!

It's taken me twenty years of computer use to learn what a 12 year old knows instinctively, I won't break it by pushing the wrong buttons! :ohmy:
So now I'm always playing with the settings to see what happens. 😛

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January 10, 2012
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I did as recommended by you 710 geniuses and it works much better now. I got two caches after work today and the blue line is there. At this point I want to document what happens in order.....because there's still a point or two I question about what I'm doing:

1) To begin, I pick a geocache and route to it. We'll assume that this is in vehicle profile.
2) Upon arrival at the closest point the car can drive to, it will come up and ask if I want to go point-to-point. I push "yes", although the unit is still in the vehicle profile.
3) A light blue line is drawn from my current location to the cache. I proceed toward the cache, and when I get within 20 feet, the cache gets a flashing circle around it (because that's what I set the alarm for).
4) I find the cache and hit "found" on the option screen. It asks if I want to enter comments. I either do or don't.
5) It next asks if I want to proceed to the next cache. I usually push "yes". It brings up the list of caches and I pick the next one I want to go to. Then I hit the orange route button/triangle.
6) The unit now draws a light blue line to the cache. I have to go into profiles.....and what I'm doing at this point is click the geocaching radio button and then immediately clicking on the vehicle radio button. Then I hit the back button and go to the map. I have found that I have to do this if I want the driving route on the roads. Otherwise I just get the straight blue line.
7) I go to the next cache and do it all over again.

One thing I haven't tried is this: When I drive up and it asks if I want to go point-to-point, I could say "yes" and then change the profile to geocaching. I haven't tried this, but I don't know what value it would have since the light blue line is showing me the direction anyway. Very open to thoughts on this. OR....I could say "no" to the point-to-point and then change to geocaching profile. Not sure at this point what that will do either. Still learning.

January 9, 2012
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Yeah, that must be it.
I just changed the setting on the vehicle profile and got what dwolfeman described.

So, go to 'Tools' - 'Profiles' and tap 'Vehicle', not the radio button.
Then tap 'Map Options' - then scroll down to Position Destination Line and set it 'On'
Then set the Origin Destination Line 'Off'
Then tap the menu, bottom right of screen, and tap Apply to All Profiles.

That will make sure all the profiles are set the same.

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January 9, 2012
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The only line(s) I see (610, no turn-by-turn city maps) are from the Map Options page, for Depart - Destination line, and/or Position - Destination line, depending on which are enabled. In my case I always use only the Position-Destination, and never the other, and have set all of my profiles this way. In your case you may have one checked off for one profile, but not the other.

Just select each profile and check the settings, you might have one or the other disabled, not showing that line.

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January 9, 2012
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I went this afternoon and tried this with an actual cache and I think I'm going to like the recommended layout, but I am confused about one thing and I think it's what threw me before. If I'm in vehicle mode and being routed to the cache and I go to profiles and change to geocache mode, I would have thought that the device would draw the light blue line to the cache but it doesn't. It's still routing to the cache but there's no line. If I then change the profile back to vehicle, it shows the green driving route again....as it should. If I'm driving and get close to the cache and it gives me the option to say "yes" to changing out of the vehicle mode, I can yes and get the blue line. It looks like in the images shown in the post above that your blue line was being drawn just by changing the profile. Is that right? I just can't understand why there wasn't a blue line when changing while routing.

January 8, 2012
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It works great while on a route, I've been using it like this for a while now.
I especially like the other button set for 'Geocache List' because while on a route it brings up the cache page, descriptions etc, for the cache you're on a route to.

I love fiddling with my toys and I've had this 710 long enough to experiment with many settings, techniques and options.
I really like this 710, I'm still learning more things it will do for different situations.

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January 8, 2012
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I've never really thought of doing this and gotta say THANKS for the idea...don't know why I didn't explore the 'assign button' function before. So many darn things this thing does... Just re-assigned my buttons and am gonna give it a 'field test' maybe later today. Works great here at the house. I'm just wondering how well it works when being on a route? I would think it would be pretty handy but will give that a go as well sometime soon...

Thanks again for the suggestion as I probably wouldn't have thought of it anytime soon...

January 8, 2012
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It's not really an issue, usually I'm not close to the cache while in the vehicle anyway so I want to change profiles long before I'm near the cache.
Even park & grab caches will be more than 20 - 30 feet from the car & with a parking lot skirt lifter you don't have to change profiles anyway.

But no matter what, you have to do something to get what you want.
The method I described gives you the most choices with the least steps.
Press the button, tap the screen twice, you changed profiles and returned to the page you were on.
Maybe 5 seconds "wasted".

If Maggie decides to do a "small modification" to the firmware they are just as likely to screw something up as actually improve a very minor issue, so be careful what you wish for. :silly:

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January 8, 2012
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A small modification to the firmware would fix this issue. The set profile setting should remain until it is changed on the profile page.

Then when using turn by turn in Vehicle profile (this is the set profile) and you near a cache and answer the question to change to ‘point-to-point navigation (yes)’ then after you mark the cache as found etc the underlying profile is restored. This would eliminate the need to change the profile back to Vehicle profile for the next cache by which ever method of button pushes you prefer.

Graham.

January 8, 2012
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You can test it right now, I have just been playing with mine at my desk before I posted my answer.

Geocaching profile;

I set a go-to to a cache;

Then I hit the side button and tapped 'Vehicle' profile;

And this is what I get;

Sometimes it hic-ups and I have to go from vehicle to geocaching and back to vehicle for it to work.

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