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710 Dies when "calculating route"
February 27, 2012
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My 710 is still performing much better since the defrag.

As far as rechargeable batteries are concerned, I'm having really good results with the Eneloop HR-3UTGA 2000 mAh. I'm using the Powerex Wizard One MH-C9000 Charger.

Also, since the latest firmware update I'm not getting the battery bleed-off issue any more. Never had the spinning compass issue so maybe I dodged a bullet there.

Basically I'm a happy camper.

February 27, 2012
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denisetdoris wrote:

Anyone with Energizer NiMH's would do well to toss them in the recycle bin and buy some LSD-type rechargeables !

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Couldn't agree more!
Found this out the hard way when I was using thaat brand in my camera.
They work fine if you charge them and use them immediately.
Leave them overnight and they lose half of their charge. Just junk.
Not so sadly, mine are no longer with me.

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February 27, 2012
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Since I did the defrag, there's been a marked improvement in the units' performance. It functions better and changes screens more quickly. I've come to confirm that the 2450mAh Energizer NiMH's ARE actually junk. I bought a President's Choice charger w/ 4aa's for about 20 bucks. These are 2000mAh batteries, low self-discharge. I charged them when new, slapped a set into the unit and turned it on. Connected to USB power and left it in my frozen truck all day and evening, and when I disconnected the power cord it was still reading full, on Rechargeables setting. After 3 days in the unit, it now shows 3/4 full on the display and powers up without issue.

Anyone with Energizer NiMH's would do well to toss them in the recycle bin and buy some LSD-type rechargeables !

Denis Gionet, OGA Executive Member - Northern Ontario.

February 18, 2012
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That's correct, just plug the GPSr into your computer, select the two disk drives that come up and run a standard Windows defragment on both of them. My 710 runs like a dream since I did this. It's easier on batteries, doesn't bleed off while powered down and can operate well with right up to the end of a pair of batteries.

February 4, 2012
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OK - after posting my previous note, I continued to read the thread and learned that a "defrag" may be a solution. I performed a defragmentation of the "Magellan" disk and now the GPSr boots up in 40 seconds with no mention of low batteries or going into that "Indexing" mode. The SD file didn't need defragmentation, but I performed defrag on it in any case.
What is also interesting is that I was able to calibrate the compass for the first time since I loaded 6.05!

February 4, 2012
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610 with 6.32 takes 38s to boot up with map and info.

Jim

February 4, 2012
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denisetdoris wrote:

With fresh rechargeables, it starts loading up... before getting to the map screen I get a warning "Replace batteries". I press OK, it continues. Sometimes it gives the warning again, sometimes no... the screen goes blank, and I have to press Power to have it continue startup...

I am experiencing the same problem with my 610 with 6.05 update. Even with just newly recharged batteries I get the "Replace Batteries" message and then to make matters worse it goes into "Indexing" mode :angry:
It sometimes takes 2 to 3 minutes to start up the GPS - my old PC takes less time and it has loads more applications than the 610.
I went on a caching trip with a couple of guys who had a Garmin Oregan and Monteray and when they replace batteries they are using their units within seconds!
This is really annoying and I would like this to be looked at.

February 4, 2012
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denisetdoris wrote:

With fresh rechargeables, it starts loading up... before getting to the map screen I get a warning "Replace batteries". I press OK, it continues. Sometimes it gives the warning again, sometimes no... the screen goes blank, and I have to press Power to have it continue startup...

I am experiencing the same problem with my 610 with 6.05 update. Even with just newly recharged batteries I get the "Replace Batteries" message and then to make matters worse it goes into "Indexing" mode :angry:
It sometimes takes 2 to 3 minutes to start up the GPS - my old PC takes less time and it has loads more applications than the 610.
I went on a caching trip with a couple of guys who had a Garmin Oregan and Monteray and when they replace batteries they are using their units within seconds!
This is really annoying and I would like this to be looked at.

February 1, 2012
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Thanks Phil, that's just about close enough to match mine. There's a 35-40 second improvement since before these tests, and I don't necessarily always use Sockeye's maps, in which case boot up will be around 40 seconds with the Maggie topo map. Thanks to all for the input, and suggestions.

BTW the defrag did work after deleting 1.5 GB of maps from the card. Was it ever messed up ! Now I can add back the Toporama maps as I do use them from time to time.

Denis Gionet, OGA Executive Member - Northern Ontario.

February 1, 2012
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Ok, I have 4902 geocaches, 1688 waypoints, 19 GPX files, 15 tracks and 12 maps on my 710.
With the Summit + City series enabled it takes 45 seconds to power up.
With Sockeye's USA North enabled it takes 60 seconds to power up.

When in trouble or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout

January 31, 2012
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If anyone has Sockeye's latest CanMatrix maps loaded, try enabling at least one of the .imi maps, and do a reboot to confirm my results. US maps will probably do the same.

EDIT -- did a few more tests, did a Defrag after deleting a bunch of maps, now down to about 65 seconds. Can't say if it's because of the defrag or the extra room on the card, but if it saves me a half a minute, I can live with that. I'll not be using rechargeables until I get a set that's worth using, and a smart charger for them. AA's are always on sale lately anyway 😉

Denis Gionet, OGA Executive Member - Northern Ontario.

January 31, 2012
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I will ask Richard as Magellan and see what he says. I just tried a test with mine to see how much of a difference it would make. I enabled 10 of the RMP maps that I have on my SD Card to see if it slowed the boot process down on my 710, but it didn't make any difference. I have 110 of them loaded onto the chip which takes almost 15Gb and they were made with Triton RMP and converted with Sockeyes RMP tools. Anyway, I'll see what I can find out.

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January 31, 2012
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Deleted all but the Canmatrix.tpo and my 3 local maps, as well as the 80 Toporama maps for the region. Same results - 1:20 . About 25 seconds quicker than with All those maps active.

Sockeye, is there something you might know about your maps that might explain why they're longer to load than the Magellan ones (other than the fact they have twice or 3x the useful data in the layers) ?

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January 31, 2012
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Just wrote up a response then the internet crashed again. I'll try again.

Startup NO card = 40 sec.
Startup with card and Maggie'sCanada map = 40 sec.
Startup with card and all CanMatrix maps active (including submaps)= 1::45.
Startup with ONLY 3 Canmatrix submaps active = 1:20.

So the Sockeye maps take longer to load than Magellan's. David, can you ask them what the difference is for the unit, as to whether one map or another is active ? Maybe if I had those on the unit it might load faster..... etc.

I'm going to delete any excess maps and keep testing. More news later.

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January 31, 2012
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Ok - I have one more question. Try deleting all of the caches on the unit and then go into MediaImagesGeocaches directoy and delete all of the images. I've notice that deleting the caches doesn't delete all of the images and over time the directory becomes huge and it slows my GPS down. Other than that I'm at a loss. I have a 16gb SD in mine with 15Gbs of maps on it as well as 100 waypoints, 14 routes 8 tracks and the 2700+ geocaches and the "Use SD Card" is unchecked and my GPS is booting in under 40 seconds and runs fine. One thing that I also do is to clear the Geocaching Summary everytime I reload the unit.

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January 31, 2012
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Denis,

My 710 boots up to map screen in 31 seconds with 2000 caches. The majority of caches are in 1 gpx file and a small number in another file. I agree with David, the more individual gpx files on the unit the slower the boot up, as they are index together to form one single cache file.

With all the information you have loaded, how much free memory do you have. The lack of free memory could easy slow things down.

Graham.

January 31, 2012
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I did defrag both the microsd and the unit, unit wouldn't completely defragment - only 2 or 3 large files essentialy, no room to move them around. I might remove the background map, defrag, then reload the map as a test. The 8G Microsd I had to remove 1/4 of my maps, it's completely packed full of maps, so it would defrag. I then transferred the maps back. No difference (other than the compass working right).

I have 1 geocache gpx file on the unit, with 2500 or so caches on it, with pics in the Image/Geocache folder for the ones that have photos on the cache page. I have the "Use External Storage" option unchecked, so it will save to the unit. If the option is checked the geocache finds won't be found with VP when connecting after a caching run (nor will new caches I've hidden). I also have a dozen or more tracks, 6 or 7 routes, 2 or 3 Waypoint files (one with my waypoints, and a couple for the PQ's). All of my 3rd party maps are on the MicroSD (8 gig Class 4). I might remove the card tonight and try without it, to see if there's a difference in startup times. I'll post my news later.

Thanks David 😉

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January 30, 2012
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KDub,

Can you please send me a copy of the defrag program and anything instructions I might need to get it working. You can send it to [email protected]...

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January 30, 2012
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ki4amd wrote:

Update on this bug. It has been quite a while since I defragged the 710's memory and it's still running great. I also noticed that it has better battery life while operating, and my power-off run-down issue seems to have been cured also. Defragging the memory was a real miracle cure on my 710!

I can confirm similar results on my 710 as well. My 3rd party defragmentation tool (O&O Defrag) reported 43% fragmentation internal and 27% external. Looking at the detailed cluster reports from the analysis it would seem to me that a mobile based 400MHz CPU would have quite a bit of extra work to do (in the form of seek times) during file I/O operations.

Normally this would be a risk on a device such as a mobile phone since those types of units are still accessing file data while plugged into the PC but not so on these standalone types.

I would also like to add that large files such as map data files can/will be fragmented across the drive during transfer from the PC so deleting the file from the GPS before copying over will not necessarily reduce the probability of the file fragmenting.

I haven't measured battery performance and it still takes a little under a minute to boot up but map load times are significantly faster and menu access is a bit more snappy. Another issue I had where turn-by-turn audio would stop working until I unplugged the unit from the cigarette lighter adapter has also not been seen since doing this defrag.

Thanks for the tip!

January 30, 2012
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Denis,

How many GPX files are loaded onto the unit? In the past I noticed that slow boot time has more to do with the seperate number of GPX files more than the total number of caches. I currently have 2700+ caches loaded in one GPX file and my unit boots in 39 seconds. However, I would also ask that you allow the unit to completely boot a couple of times withiout crashing and see if the boot time decreases due to the fact that the unit will re-index all of the data following a crash.

Please let me know what you find out.

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