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February 25, 2012
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Another option for track editing I would like would be a 'Reverse Route' option. You can back track along a track log, but can't do the same for a route.

This would be handy for 2 reasons. The main reason though is that where I live there are lots of forest/fire trails that run up ridge lines to dead ends. The roads are small, not much more than a bulldozer track through the bush, so only show up on maps when zoomed right in. They also go for miles off the main fire trail so you might add in 6 or 7 waypoints following along the track, only to find it goes nowhere.

When planning a route it is much easier to locate the destination, then plan the drive back out, sort of like finding your way through a maze by starting in the middle and working your way to the outside. The problem there is that what is recorded as the start is where you want to finish and there is no simple way of reversing things.

I have also been sent .gpx files of planned routes, but the end point is closer to my place than the start. To reverse the route I have to open it in VP and manually parallel the route with a new route.

When editing a route, the ability to click and drag waypoints would be nice too. The current system of having to delete the incorrect point, add a new one to the end of the route and then move it up the list to the correct spot on the list is harder than it should be.

February 19, 2012
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wolf9545 wrote:

Does anyone know if they plan to add the ability for VP to look at the caches that are being loaded in and see if they are not compatible with GC? What I mean is that there is a cache by me (NOVA Micro #1) that causes my eXplorist GC to restart if I view the details of the cache. Bringing up the main screen of the cache is fine but if I click on the details section on my GC then it restarts.

I load caches into my GC via VP and it would be nice if there was something built into VP that would either let you know that there is non-compatible caches or it would fix them if possible.

I had seen ths issue with the prior versions of the firmware, but havne't seen it with this newer version; however, I've already forwarded your post to Magellan because this is something that should be fixed in the unit.

David

P.S. Ok, I've verified with my GC so this is something that they would be able to identify and fix.

February 18, 2012
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Does anyone know if they plan to add the ability for VP to look at the caches that are being loaded in and see if they are not compatible with GC? What I mean is that there is a cache by me (NOVA Micro #1) that causes my eXplorist GC to restart if I view the details of the cache. Bringing up the main screen of the cache is fine but if I click on the details section on my GC then it restarts.

I load caches into my GC via VP and it would be nice if there was something built into VP that would either let you know that there is non-compatible caches or it would fix them if possible.

February 9, 2012
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Currently, I edit the tracks using the program OziExplorer. Before, I did it all work with the points and routes. If the developers can help us, I will do everything in the VP. I hope so.

February 9, 2012
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I use the same basic method as Phil for deleting pieces of a track, although but once I have located the start of the section to be deleted, I just start deleting points by holding down the delete key. Not only is this a lot of work but it is quite error prone.

Computers are supposed to make life easier and I have very little patience when being forced to jump through hoops to accommodate a bad interface design. I absolutely refuse to copy down numbers from the computer screen just to reenter them at a later time.

I do not really mean to pick on VP here, but I would like to see it improved.

February 8, 2012
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Charles wrote:

I agree with all proposals.

An alternative might be to simply provide a function to convert a route to a track for editing purposes.

That's no good.

When we transform the route into the track, we lose the names of the waypoints. Each point is the landmark that we are looking for on the ground. Transformed route becomes merely a line, which carries no information.

It would be nice to be able to change the name of the routepoint "Via Point", for example on "Crossroads 1" or "Mountain 1531 m".

February 8, 2012
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I agree with all the suggestions posted.

A work around to delete sections of long tracks I use is I 'Play' the track at 50x speed and stop it at the section I want to remove.
I'll jot down the point number, continue playing it through the section to be removed, stop it at the point I want, jot down that point number.
Then I'll go to the list of points and delete all the points at once between the two numbers I wrote down.

I hope Magellan can now spend the time & resources needed to make VP a better program.

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February 8, 2012
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Some more suggestions:

1. Provide protection against inadvertent deletion of items within VP. Although full undo/redo functions might be nice, there are many simpler solutions that should provide protection from serious catastrophes. One solution that should be easy to implement would be to simply ensure that the initial versions of the VP database and index files are deleted to the recycle bin.

2. The edit routines for both tracks and routes should provide common features. As the GPX representation of tracks and routes is basically identical, it would seem that a common editing routine would be simpler to implement than what is currently provided. An alternative might be to simply provide a function to convert a route to a track for editing purposes.

3. Add the ability to split and combine tracks or routes.

4. The track edit function displays two windows. One window lists the track points. The other window displays the map of the track area with the track points superimposed. After selecting a point in the map window, the list window should be scrolled so that the point is visible. After deleting a point that was selected in the map window, the next sequential point in the track should be selected.

This requires a certain amount of explanation. A track point can be selected by clicking on that point in the list window or by clicking on the same point in the map window. In both cases, the point is highlighted in the window in which it was not clicked. If the point was selected in the list window and then deleted, the next sequential point in the track is selected. When the point is selected in the map window and then deleted, then the selected point becomes the point that was previously selected.

This may need to be explained in simpler terms. When a point is selected in the list window and then deleted, the next sequential point in the track is now highlighted in both windows.

The other case is where the point is selected in the map window. After this point is deleted, the highlighted point becomes the point that was previously selected in the list window. Assume that point A is initially selected in the list window. Select the map window and click on point B. Although the list window is not scrolled, point B is now highlighted in both the list window and the map window. If the point is now deleted, it is removed from both the list window and the map window, as expected. However after the deletion, point A is once again selected in both windows.

The purpose of this suggestion is to make it easier to delete unwanted sections of a track. Currently this involves using the arrow keys to locate the track segment to be deleted, which can be quite tedious for long tracks.

February 7, 2012
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Yup, I agree with just about all of these points. They are all excellent points and very well explained. And Paganel, your english is just fine. No problem reading and understanding your explanations.

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February 7, 2012
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I know that my English is very bad.
I see that there are only geocashsers. Another use of GPS does not interest them?
Two months ago I posted on this board the wishes of several thousand users in our country - http://www.exploristforum.com/.....38;id=4709
I see that nobody is reading. Is it really not understand?

I repeat once more.

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All users of version 2.17 are satisfied with the new features. A few more changes and we can forget all the other programs and only use VantagePoint.

1. Viewing and deleting data from eXplorist.
Before each journey, we must remove the old waypoints, routes and tracks from navigator. VP shows data in Tritons and they can be removed. VP does not show the data in eXplorist. Remove something from it is not possible. This is very inconvenient.
Need to make viewing and deleting data from eXplorist like Triton. Show folders and subfolders is optional, but desirable. You will be able to delete the entire folder. It would be good to add a context menu item "Delete checked" or "Remove unchecked" (Both items are also good).

2. Bug after editing a waypoint.
If a program change the coordinates of a waypoint, or add a comment, then after synchronization, the navigator will be two points with the same name. The same effect would be if the waypoint is moved to a subfolder. Perhaps, routes and tracks have the same effect.
If name is unchanged, then program must replace the point, rather than creating new ones.

3. Suggestions for "View All Details"

3.1. Displaying in the list and on the map.
The list displays all the data from the MyJournal. On the map in panel are visible only data marked in MyJournal. I identify the data, the map is scrolled, but i can not see anything. At first this is surprising. After annoying.
Must be: or shown in the list only checked data, or shown on the map in panel all data from list.

3.2. Sorting and grouping
The data in the list conveniently grouped by type, distance and altitude. Sorted by name would be good grouping to subfolders.

3.3. Changing type of waypoint.
It is often necessary to change the name of the waypoint marker for several points. This option is not available in VP. When you select the type of waypoint from icons, it would be nice to see a hint, "Marker name."

4. Create and edit routes.
We have already discussed the difference between the routes and tracks. I feel sorry for those who do not understand.
We need to do editing of routes is the same as the tracks. This is very important. If this is done, we can refine the details.

5. Edit tracks
When you select a point or points on the map, Line in the list is highlighted. The list should scroll so you can see it.

6. Map Manipulator
VantagePoint is the only program in the world, in which the cursor up to zoom in and down to zoom out. If you use VantagePoint and GoogleEart, you will mention the devil every day.

I hope someone will correct errors in this text and send it to developers.
I'm always glad when someone find errors in my programs. This allows me to make the program better.
We hope that the developers VantagePoint also think so.
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I would also like to see the map as a tree with the provider and the group as in the eXplorist.

February 6, 2012
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Of course I'll recommend GSAK, it's the best & easiest way to load geocaches to a GPSr.

VP always gives me problems when I load geocaches from it to my 710.
Plus there's no easy way to filter the caches you want on VP.
With GSAK you can easily filter whatever caches you want on the 710 and send just those caches to it.
It's much easier to filter a GSAK database than to filter a Pocket Query to give you the caches you want on the 710.
As an example, I'll make a few PQs of every cache in an area, put them on GSAK and then filter out the ones I don't want loaded to my GPSr, like the ones I've already found, puzzles I won't solve, or whatever.
If I change my mind about any I want later they are still in the database so I can load them a few days later without having to make a new PQ.

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February 6, 2012
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Almost. You can download and save your queries from GC to the pc, then un-zip them, then copy the waypoints and geocaches into the appropriate folders of the unit. It can be that simple.

Some people use GSAK (Geocaching Swiss Army Knife), a 3rd party program that does tons of things with your geocache database, myself I prefer to use VP. I'll load the geocaches from my queries onto VP, then transfer them to the unit, and I'll get all the photos that are on the cache page, they appear on the Description field of the Geocache you're viewing. GSAK also does this, Phil is the local expert on how to use that program. He'll likely pop in an explanation on how it works soon.

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February 5, 2012
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Ok so I'm a bit late on this topic, but I don't know if it is fixed or not. Is there a way to be able to just select a bunch of geocaches in an area from Vantage Point and put them in a folder and easily just copy that folder or those Geocaches to my 710?
And / or just copying a "Pocket Query" over to my 710 from Geocaching.com?

Thanks

May 10, 2011
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I just got off of a Skype call with Richard at Magellan and I forwarded all of your concerns, wants and request to him and he will be looking into them in the coming weeks. He did tell me that there will be a new release out in the not so distant future which should have some cool upgrades. However, the biggest issue we talked about is compability with hardware and he's going to be speaking to his developers and try to figure out why so many of you are having problems.

As for those of you who volunteered to help me with the VP project, he said that the surverys should be coming out soon.

Later,
David

May 8, 2011
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A big yes please to having pictures remain referenced to waypoints, tracks, and caches in VP.

I also 2nd the wish to join/merge/split tracks.

My own wish is to have the track summary from the tools menu on the X10 available in VP for any saved track. It would nice to have this on the X10's themselves, but I'd settle for having it in VP. There is lots of cool info in there and it is a bummer that it is only viewable for the Active Track.

May 6, 2011
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Awesome input, thanks warfieldm I'm including these just the way to wrote them up.

warfieldm wrote:

My exposure to VP is limited to only the last couple of months. However, in that time, I really haven't been able to determine the overall purpose VP is intended to fill for the Magellan GPSr products consumer. Most consumers I know would not differentiate the GPSr from VP as they are intended to work together. Granted, my experience in owning a GPSr is the 610, a couple of Garmin Nuvis, and my BlackBerry (with Cachesense). My usage is almost exclusively constrained to geocaching and driving navigation.

My wish list would include...

1) Databases for Geocaches!! Emphasis on the plural. The folders approach may allow for organizing the caches, tracks, routes, and waypoints. The process is a manual sort which can be exhausting and results in little benefit when transferring caches to the GPSr. Database structures would more easily allow the tying together of caches to tracks, caches to routes, caches to waypoints, caches to media, etc. etc. The same database structures should be used on VP and the GPSr's. In order to really make the most use of this, the GPSr's should also support multiple databases and allow for data manipulation on the device itself.

2) It seems that Magellan has an opportunity to fully embody the 4 corners interface and give the user the option to have the VP interface mimic that of the GPSr they own. This would reinforce the value of the interface as well as help the average consumer be more proficient with it on a larger screen and transfer that to hands on with the GPSr. Not to mention it would maintain continuity of use between multiple platforms.

I'll second Phil's comment on bundling GSAK or even licensing GSAK's intellectual property to embed into VP.

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Morel wrote:

David,

I'll give a bit more detail on the items questioned:

When working with Journal items it would be nice to be able to multi select and edit those all at once. For instance, change the icon/type. It would also help to be able to multi select items and move them to a different or new folder within VP or another location. As it is now you can only delete multiple items or edit single items.

If you have a route or created a route with multiple via points it would be beneficial when viewing or editing the route to be able to highlight one of those points in the list and the map will show you the targeted point.

Awesome, Thx. Morel.

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denisetdoris wrote:

Item 7 was the biggest concern I had/have. The other concern I have is :

the Publish New Geocaches feature doesn't work on my 610 Canada, with either FW version. It could be the unit or VP, but I don't know which, and haven't a clue how to figure out which is / isn't correct.

FIXED IT -- I had a thought that the unit gets lost, when using the "Enable SD Card" box checked. With this box enabled, all geocaches, waypoints, etc. go to the card. But VP doesn't write to the card, it writes to the unit. Same thing for looking for New Waypoints, or NewGC. If you have the card enabled, all data goes there, so they're not found on the unit.

I disabled the box, sent all my data (except maps) onto the unit, and Presto ! VP finds the NewGC folder, publishes as its supposed to.

Additionally, when I deleted a geocache from the unit, and re-sent it using the Send to GPS feature, ALL information is present for that cache - Images, Cache By, Attributes, AS ADVERTIZED !

This still doesn't fix the issue of no Cache by, and no attributes from using the Sync feature. Still ongoing.

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David,

I'll give a bit more detail on the items questioned:

When working with Journal items it would be nice to be able to multi select and edit those all at once. For instance, change the icon/type. It would also help to be able to multi select items and move them to a different or new folder within VP or another location. As it is now you can only delete multiple items or edit single items.

If you have a route or created a route with multiple via points it would be beneficial when viewing or editing the route to be able to highlight one of those points in the list and the map will show you the targeted point.

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My exposure to VP is limited to only the last couple of months. However, in that time, I really haven't been able to determine the overall purpose VP is intended to fill for the Magellan GPSr products consumer. Most consumers I know would not differentiate the GPSr from VP as they are intended to work together. Granted, my experience in owning a GPSr is the 610, a couple of Garmin Nuvis, and my BlackBerry (with Cachesense). My usage is almost exclusively constrained to geocaching and driving navigation.

My wish list would include...

1) Databases for Geocaches!! Emphasis on the plural. The folders approach may allow for organizing the caches, tracks, routes, and waypoints. The process is a manual sort which can be exhausting and results in little benefit when transferring caches to the GPSr. Database structures would more easily allow the tying together of caches to tracks, caches to routes, caches to waypoints, caches to media, etc. etc. The same database structures should be used on VP and the GPSr's. In order to really make the most use of this, the GPSr's should also support multiple databases and allow for data manipulation on the device itself.

2) It seems that Magellan has an opportunity to fully embody the 4 corners interface and give the user the option to have the VP interface mimic that of the GPSr they own. This would reinforce the value of the interface as well as help the average consumer be more proficient with it on a larger screen and transfer that to hands on with the GPSr. Not to mention it would maintain continuity of use between multiple platforms.

I'll second Phil's comment on bundling GSAK or even licensing GSAK's intellectual property to embed into VP.

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Morel wrote:

Morel,

Could you please give me some added details on these two:

Options to: Sort, Select, Edit, Move. In and out of VP and folders within VP of multiple waypoints, geocaches, routes, tracks

Reference the point on the map when creating a route

Thanks,
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denisetdoris wrote:

Item 7 was the biggest concern I had/have. The other concern I have is :

the Publish New Geocaches feature doesn't work on my 610 Canada, with either FW version. It could be the unit or VP, but I don't know which, and haven't a clue how to figure out which is / isn't correct.

Denis,

I don't know what the exact differences are between the US 610 and the Canadian 610, but I just pulled a brand new US 610 out of the box and updated the firmware on it and then added a new cache. Then immediatly when I plugged it into my computer and opened VP it notified me that there were new caches on the unit and when I click ok to post them on GC.com it brought it up with out issue. So I'm not sure what is going on, but if you know someone else with a Canadian version of the unit, maybe they could give it a try.

David

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David,
You have covered some of these in your list already, but I'm still going to give you my entire list.
[ol]Options to: Sort, Select, Edit, Move. In and out of VP and folders within VP of multiple waypoints, geocaches, routes, tracks

Reference the point on the map when creating a route

Option to import to selected folder

The measure tool does not include Acres, Hectares

Waypoint icons need to show category names when mousing over them in the waypoint create or edit list. It does this in the geocache icon list

Create a freehand trail

There is no option to not include "child waypoints" when importing a PQ from GC.com from within VP.

I would like to be able to join/merge tracks and split tracks[/ol]

Then give us some bonus options that none of us have thought of 😉

May 5, 2011
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David,

As you know I’m very new to geocaching and have found VP confusing and difficult to use and work out how to do what I wont to do with it. As Phil has indicated, I tend to steer away from it and only use it to see caches in a particular area on the map, which GSAK doesn’t do (to my knowledge).

1. I would say though that the through put speed is very slow in comparison to GSAK so it must be a VP issue.

2. When I download a PQ to VP it removes all the found ticks from the caches in VP (this is possibly user error,I have no idea).

Graham.

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Item 7 was the biggest concern I had/have. The other concern I have is :

the Publish New Geocaches feature doesn't work on my 610 Canada, with either FW version. It could be the unit or VP, but I don't know which, and haven't a clue how to figure out which is / isn't correct.

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I would like to see a better file system for the geocache folders.
When I try to load caches to different folders the system will put every cache in the new folder and will not allow me to move a cache from one folder to another.
I got sick and tired of experimenting with it so I do not use folders at all, I have just one big file of caches that I dump when it gets too big to manage easily.

It's easier for me to not use VP at all except for tracks and routes.

Yes, I know VP is a free program that many people use, but it's billed as a way to organize your geocaching adventures but it is very frustrating to use for that purpose unless you spend quite a lot of time figuring out the limits of it. By then most people will, like me, give up on it.

If VP is the first introduction to Magellan to new customers don't be surprised if they run screaming to Garmin or DeLorme.
For the average new user I really think VP is a waist of time.
I'm not what you would call an average new user, I have 5 Magellan and 2 Garmin GPSr that I've been using for years and I think VP is nearly useless as it is now.

If Magellan wants to help new customers 'organize their geocaching adventures' they should include/recommend GSAK with the units.

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May 4, 2011
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I see, you have allready includet my wishlist B)

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I'm going to be forwarding a compiled wish list to Magellan concerning future updates for VP. So here is what I currently have. If I have anything incorrect, please let me know and also let me know anything that I might have missed. You might notice and I excluded a MAC version, because to be honest I just don't see it happening!!!

1. Compatibility – A large number of people cannot run VP on their computers due to software compatibility issues. We have been able to resolved some of these issues by upgrading the computers Video Drivers to the newest drivers, however, this hasn’t worked for the majority Because of this issue, several people have returned their Magellan units to the fender to purchase another product.

2. Editing Geocaches – this is by far the second most common request that I’ve received for the Vantage Point software. This is a must for Geocachers due to the Mystery caches. Not being able to edit the cache information means that the cacher either has to create a new cache or a waypoint or use other software to be able to set the correct coordinates for the cache once the puzzle is solved. However, by creating a new cache or by creating a waypoint, the user is unable to log the cache via the log.txt file/field notes, because there is not link to the correct cache on the GC.com website. This capability was available in prior versions of VP and it is a much needed upgrade to the current version.

3. It has been asked if we can have the capability to write protect certain cache so that they will not be deleted when deleting all caches nor can they be edited by mistake. The write-protected ones can get deleted with another question window "Do you want to delete the protected caches?"

4. When creating routes with Vantage Point there are no capability to change a single point that may be in the wrong location. It would be a great improvement if we could select a “Via” Point with the mouse and move it to another location on the map.

5. You have given us folders where we can sort our Geocaches, however, when we want to synchronize them with the eXplorist we cannot select a single folder.

6. There are issues with pictures in the cache-listing. Some are displayed in the eXplorist, some are not. We also need the pictures that are only placed in the cache-listing as a link, but not shown as a picture. There are often some hint-pictures or spoiler pictures. We need to find a way with Groundspeak, to add those pictures (or the link to them) in the pocket query. Those additional pictures should be placed in the additional media section on the eXplorist device.

7. Item’s not being transferred to GPS from VP. For some reason VP is only transferring the Geocache owner’s name to the GPS on some of the caches, but not all – however, when the same cache is loaded via GSAK or by drag and drop, then the cache owner is available. Also, the attributes are not available when pocket quires are transferred through VP.

8. Although the eX-510, 610 & 710 allows me to attach pictures to my Geocaches, Waypoints and Tracks this isn’t transferred to VP. Since most people will not keep their these items on the GPRrs long term, it would be a nice feature to be able to transfer and keep the pictures attached within VP.

9. It would be a nice feature to be able to have the icon, like in GSAK, to see that result of the last 4 logs this way we could quickly tell if the last four seekers found the cache, had a DNF or entered a Maintenance request on it. It would be extremely nice to be able to also sort and filter on this data.

I'll be ready to add your request!

David

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