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July 6, 2012
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pprass wrote:

pprass wrote:

I have found that if I let the batteries run right down in the GPSr - ie the unit shuts down for the last time because of no power, then I am in this blasted freeze while "Indexing Data Base" problem.
I have to replace the batteries as soon as the GPSr says "Low Battery" - ie the very first message, otherwise I am in for it!

I agree. By continually ignoring the ‘Low Battery’ warning you are tempting fate and you can sometimes get into a situation where it is difficult to power down the unit while it is attempting to restart or is indexing. Then even with new battery in the unit it will have difficulties starting up.

Ignore the ‘Low Battery’ warning at your own peril.

Graham.

July 6, 2012
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Hmmm, I think I'll pass on that experiment but I'll remember it when/if I accidentally let them run down.

Five or six months ago I forgot to turn it off and it shut down with dead batteries some time overnight in my tent.
It rebooted fine with new batteries the next day though.

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July 6, 2012
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phild31 wrote:

About half the time while my 710 is indexing data base it will show a low battery warning with shutdown in 15 seconds, even with new batteries in it.
When I tap OK on the warning the screen goes black but in about 15 seconds it comes back on, it continues and finishes indexing.

I have never gotten any kind of 'freeze' while rebooting or indexing database.

In mine the batteries actually get hot when indexing. They have to be brand brand new when I do it or it will get the warning. Also it will blank out for a few seconds and then resume like you say.

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July 6, 2012
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Yes Phil - I get that too. Even with freshly recharged batteries straight from the recharger I get the "Low Battery" message which I just ignore (tap OK).
However regarding the "freeze" next time the GPSr is genuinly low on batteries, just let them run right down so that the unit shuts down. Then see what happens when you try to re boot with fresh batteries.

July 6, 2012
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About half the time while my 710 is indexing data base it will show a low battery warning with shutdown in 15 seconds, even with new batteries in it.
When I tap OK on the warning the screen goes black but in about 15 seconds it comes back on, it continues and finishes indexing.

I have never gotten any kind of 'freeze' while rebooting or indexing database.

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July 6, 2012
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pprass wrote:

If it's any consulation, about 2 weeks ago I had the same problem with the same "Send to GPS" file that I alway load from GSAK - it would freeze at 31% Indexing Data Base. I tried 3 different sets of batteries, and even tried to boot it up connected to the computer.
After about 10 tries at booting - it suddenly got over the 31% Indexing point and it has worked fine ever since.
Always unsure when that happens!

Now I am getting worried all over again!

I have found that if I let the batteries run right down in the GPSr - ie the unit shuts down for the last time because of no power, then I am in this blasted freeze while "Indexing Data Base" problem.
I have to replace the batteries as soon as the GPSr says "Low Battery" - ie the very first message, otherwise I am in for it!

June 22, 2012
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My 710 will do the same thing after loading over 8,000 new caches.
It happens maybe one in five times, at first I was a bit worried about it but now after many months with no other problems I'm not concerned.
So sometimes I have to turn it off & back on, I can live with that.

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June 22, 2012
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My current cache count is 9984 in the gps with no loop.

But

After uploading and going through the initialisation the gps shows the caches on the screen but there are no caches in the Geocaching menu. I have to reboot to get the caches to show in the menu. It doesn't do it every time but it's often enough to be worrysome.

June 20, 2012
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If it's any consulation, about 2 weeks ago I had the same problem with the same "Send to GPS" file that I alway load from GSAK - it would freeze at 31% Indexing Data Base. I tried 3 different sets of batteries, and even tried to boot it up connected to the computer.
After about 10 tries at booting - it suddenly got over the 31% Indexing point and it has worked fine ever since.
Always unsure when that happens!

June 20, 2012
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OK...

I'm working on a fresh GPX file on my time off.

I've already sent this to David and I let him know that I would post details on when it's happening here.

This is an Explorest 710 with 75% percent on the batteries, a 2 gig SD card installed, and the Wyoming map which was downloaded from another part of this forum. Nothing else is different from stock in the GPS.

I'm using GSAK 8.1.0.10

There are 9651 caches in the file covering much of where I would go around the western USA. (If I wasn't grounded by the Doctor I'd be there today)

Under 'send waypoints' it is set to send to the Explorist 710.

'Use Defaults' is clicked off.

'Maximum number to send' is blank.

'Clear from GPS before send' has Geocaches, Waypoints, and Notes checked on.

'Number of logs to include' is 4.

So I send the Geocaches, Geocaches send first followed by Child Waypoints. Together they take 5 minutes to send.

I wait a few seconds after sending before disconnecting from the computer.

Next I unplug the GPS and allow it to begin rebooting. I reconnect the GPS to the computer and select power only.

At 75% complete the GPS boots.

I click the screen menues until I get to Geocahces and check the number which reads 9651.

I click the waypoints which reads 330.

No problem this time. It would not loop.

So........................

I run the same test, this time with 6 logs.

And following the same procedure, nothing happens, it's working fine.

It's not been working all morning, now it works fines.

I know that as soon as I close this it's going to loop again.

LOL

June 16, 2012
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For whatever reason I cannot send the file by email. I even tried sending it to myself. I put it in the files section here but it must need approval from the operator to be seen. I'll re-upload it later. It's an 8meg file zipped.

Gotta go post some more goodies on here.

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June 14, 2012
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Jake,

No, I did not receive it - please send it again and try dwcarr1@verizon.net since I'm out of town on business for a couple of few days.

David

June 13, 2012
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David,

We're you able to get that file from the files section?

I'm back at work for three more days, slow to respond and no way to experiment.

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June 12, 2012
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Files too big for Gamail even zipped. Sorry.

I'll send an email without the file to make sure everything else is working.

Jake81499

Edit, I placed the GPX file in Zip format in the uncategorized folder as Jake81499_waypoints.

I would suppose this may need approved before it can be downloaded.

June 12, 2012
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dwcarr1 wrote:

Jake,

If you're interesting in helping us find the cause of this problem, if you would like to email me a copy of the GPX file from GSAK, I'll load it into one of my eX710 and see if I can reproduce the problem and then narrow it down so I can report it to the product manager.

David
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I'll get it in the email.

June 12, 2012
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Morel wrote:

Truth is, you can have all the geocaches from around the world in the unit on your own personal folder if the SD card is large enough for all your data.

But why would anyone need more than 1000 "viewable" at one time? Import, delete, import, delete, update......as needed on the card. Set up your PQ's to cover areas and import when needed.

Ok, I'm still learning how to use this GPS and didn't realize that I could put everything on the SD card as individual GPX files and import/delete as needed. I'll play with that and see how it works out for my style. I can see that this would be VERY useful. My concern would be 'Found' caches. Would they be re-imported when I come back into an area?

The Only way VP is going to work for me is if I load everything into GSAK first, edit out the stuff I don't want (anything with a not found next to it or a needs maintenance) then export it to a GPX and load it into VP. It just ends up being impractical to use more than one program to get the same end result.

I'm not being uncooperative on the issue of the loop, I'm just kinda stuck using one if the other doesn't have the functions I need.

Where I think the problem may have been is in the Child waypoints, there is no way that I can see to stop them from uploading to the GPS in GSAK.

June 11, 2012
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David,

I just loaded my 710 with 9923 caches using GSAK and have no problems at all.
I loaded images, 10 logs per cache and child waypoints.

But I have edited the Atlas.ini file to increase the max waypoints count to 10,000.
I don't know if reaching the 2,000 max waypoints would cause a problem, but it never caused any problems for me when I did, it just didn't load over 2,000.

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June 11, 2012
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Jake,

I can understand why you want to use GSAK instead of VP, but the reason I asked you to please load the same PQs into VP and see if the problem continues is so that we can identify what is causing the issue. Is it being induced by GSAK, in which case I can contact Cylde and he'll fix it; or is it specific problem with the unit or an HTML problem. You see, there are several people will all brands of GPSrs that are having problems with the HTML that Groundspeak is allowing the users to incorporate into the descriptions in their geocache pages. The problem is that there is no standard for the HTML being placed in these descriptions and they are sometimes loosely code with major errors in the HTML code. Although Magellan has done a good job and writing traps into the code to catch these errors, sometimes some can slip through and I've spent hours tracking these errors down to one particular cache page. Sometimes these errors appear immediately, while other times they’re not showing up unit that particular cache is accessed and at other times it appears to be random.

If you're interesting in helping us find the cause of this problem, if you would like to email me a copy of the GPX file from GSAK, I'll load it into one of my eX710 and see if I can reproduce the problem and then narrow it down so I can report it to the product manager.

Also, the next time you're headed to San Diego, if you're passing through Barstow, give me a shout...

David
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June 11, 2012
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Yes, I forgot about that.

Thanks for reminding me Morel and Graham!

Here's what crvdale posted 8 months ago.
It is post #4291;

8 Months, 3 Weeks ago
Multiple PQ/GPX files. eXplorist 710.
I created 3 folders on the SD card (Wales, West, South) and put several PQ's files *.gpx and *-wpts.gpx into each of them. I also loaded two files from another PQ into the Waypoints and Geocaches folder. These are the ones you see when you select 'Geocaches' from the menu.
Then, using Export you can copy the 'geocaches' and 'waypoints' from their respective folders to spare folders on the SD card and then delete the waypoints and geocaches from the waypoints and geocaches folder.
Then using Import you copy a 'spare' PQ from a folder on the SD card into the 'geocaches' and 'waypoint' folders and you have a 'new' PQ to use. So using this facility you can keep an almost unlimited number of PQ's on the SD card and use what you want.

Chris

When Chris posted this I tried it and it worked perfectly, I had about 50,000 caches loaded in 7 files on the SD card.

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Truth is, you can have all the geocaches from around the world in the unit on your own personal folder if the SD card is large enough for all your data.

But why would anyone need more than 1000 "viewable" at one time? Import, delete, import, delete, update......as needed on the card. Set up your PQ's to cover areas and import when needed.

I am currently using "Custom POI" for my individual waypoint gpx files and created "PQ" for any pocket queries I want to have "available" on the card. The unit will only "see" those files if I want it to.

June 11, 2012
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You are most likely hitting a data limit on the unit.

I have between 2000 – 3000 geocaches loaded with between 10 to 25 logs each, loaded via GSAK with no problems. I would be surprised if loading via VP makes any difference. The 10,000 geocache limit is most likely with only one or two logs so if you require more logs the number of geocaches has to be reduced.

A work around would be to spit the 10,000 or more geocaches you require into smaller PQ files and load them onto the SD card in a folder you are not using like “Custom POI” or it may be possible to set up a new folder. The “Import” feature on the unit can be used to transfer which ever PQ you need to the internal memory. The PQs remain on the SD card so you can import them as many times as you require. There is a thread on the forum explaining how to do this in more detail.

Graham.

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I tried VP.

At first glance there's no way to edit the caches. There's no cache information given which would include recent log types. That's a necessary item. Loading the same PQ's as with GSAK there are 10186 caches. I need to be able to go through and delete anything that hasn't been found or needs maintenance which would drop it down to about the 9700 figure.

So if I do a test and not use the same information as with GSAK the test wouldn't be valid.

The only way it may work for me is to edit the caches with GSAK, save the database from GSAK as a GPX and try loading it into VP.

So that's what I did and I may have found part of the problem. GSAK was loading the child waypoints into the GPS. I don't need them.

Anyhow, I have a number of logs in the GPS now.

I'll try it for a while and see how it does.

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phild31 wrote:

I've found that I don't really need 10,000 caches loaded to my 710.
I usually have about 5,000 to 6,000 on it with at least 10 logs.
If you keep it under 7,000 you can add a lot of new caches without having to decide what to keep on the 710.

The reason I go with as many caches as I can is because I never know what I'm going to be doing on my days off. I may not keep that many in there all the time but I keep them ready to load up.

I am a biker and I let the handlebars decide which direction I'm going so if the bike wants to go from Rawlins Wyoming to San Diego California, the caches are ready to go. (Wierd huh?) It's totally possible that the ride may change half way to one point and I end up somewhere totally different. To top it off, I may not do any caching along the way.

It's a never ending process keeping everything updated. Todays upload consisted of 9748 caches and I only download those which have been found in the last 7 days on all quarys except the local one. I also delete anything that has a 'not found' or a 'maintenance needed' indicator next to it.

I saw the next post concerning the VP and I will try that and pass it on.

Thanks

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phild31 This forum is not owned or run by Magellan, but several members of the forum are beta testers for Magellan and the Magellan Outdoor team keeps track of what we say on the forum.

laugh Thought you always said we all were beta testers for their units? laugh

Makes it more fun and adventurous that way!!!! YEAY!

laugh I guess it depends on the definitions of "several" and "all" laugh

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I just got a note back from Jeff at Magellan and he's asking you to please trying making the same load with VP, instead of GSAK and see if you experience the same issue...

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Your post has been forwarded to Magellan....

David

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phild31 This forum is not owned or run by Magellan, but several members of the forum are beta testers for Magellan and the Magellan Outdoor team keeps track of what we say on the forum.

laugh Thought you always said we all were beta testers for their units? laugh

Makes it more fun and adventurous that way!!!! YEAY!

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This forum is not owned or run by Magellan, but several members of the forum are beta testers for Magellan and the Magellan Outdoor team keeps track of what we say on the forum.

I've found that I don't really need 10,000 caches loaded to my 710.
I usually have about 5,000 to 6,000 on it with at least 10 logs.
If you keep it under 7,000 you can add a lot of new caches without having to decide what to keep on the 710.
The files that add up in a hurry are the cache page photos.

Using GSAK I update my cache files and load just what I want to the 710 any time I feel like it.

After a while you will develop a system that works for you.
For example, I don't have caches I have found loaded to it.
But as with any system if you push it to the limit you may run into some problems.

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Hi all...

I have 9700 or so caches in my 710. I've only had the 710 a week or two.

I found a loop in which the GPS wants to restart itself in order to gain better performance.

I'm using GSAK to upload my caches.

With 9700 or so caches and uploading 4 recent logs, I go into the Geocaching screen and check the numbers to make sure they all uploaded.

I go back out of the Geocaching screen to the map screen and the GPS will say it needs to reboot for better performance.

When it completes I check the Geocaching screen again and go back to the map screen where it restarts again.

I tried this several times and tried reuploading the caches to the GPS with the same results.

SO.....

I backed off on the number of logs sent to the GPS from 4 down to 2.

That fixed the reboot loop.

I'd like to have 4 logs but I can do with 2. I haven't tried 3 logs to see if it still has the problem.

Just curious, Does Magellan read this forum or is it Magellan sponcered or anything?

Just curious.

Thanks all, and I love the 710 so far.

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