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May 16, 2011
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* The proximity alarm sometimes works, sometimes it doesn't. Not sure if it is related to the speed I am traveling in the vehicle. ie if I am doing more than say 50kmp/h I am pretty sure that it has never worked, but if I am walking it sometimes does? Haven't tested it fully and kept record.

I have determined that unless the distance set is actually detected by the GPS, then the proximity alarm won't go off.

So if you are doing 50kms per hour it is unlikely that the GPS will detect that you are 75 metres from GZ and set the alarm off. However if you are walking at 4 kms per hour, the GPs will certainly detect when you are 75 metres from GZ and will go off.

May 14, 2011
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I used GSAK to download 500 caches from a PQ just now, and ended up with the ERROR! on every one of them and every waypoint.

So, I deleted everything in /USR and it's OK again. There are still some warts, but at least I can use the thing!

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May 14, 2011
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I have been working my 610 with 4.82 hard for the last 5 days and I find that the electronic compass stalls for a minute or two and what is more frustrating - it will not calibrate no matter what I do. It just says "fail" every time. New batteries won't do it either.

Recapping my little issues in case Magellan are interested:
* Electronic compass stalls
* Compass won't calibrate
* After uploading caches into the GPS I have to remove the UGDS.BIN file otherwise I get an error on all of them.
* Can't Search by Name for caches that are more than 50 kms away. (There must be something I am doing wrong here)
* The proximity alarm sometimes works, sometimes it doesn't. Not sure if it is related to the speed I am traveling in the vehicle. ie if I am doing more than say 50kmp/h I am pretty sure that it has never worked, but if I am walking it sometimes does? Haven't tested it fully and kept record.
* With the heavy caching work that I am doing, a quick start up is sorely missed - especially when I have to replace batteries and I am trying to work out which track to take at a junction.
* Background colour of map (Aus map) is far too dark - dark olive green and it is difficult to pick up cache icons against that background.
* Position indicator is far too large and just gets in the way of detailed navigation.
* Next nearest cache function doesn't work.

I am able to put up and get used to most of the above issues as they don't really interfere with caching, but the compass stalling/calibration is really an issue for me - after all that is the whole point of a GPS isn't it? All of the other stuff is nice to have add-ons!

ps: I no longer demonstrate my GPS to people who ask about it. Also my wife's eXplorist 500 is finding caches quicker than I can due to the compass issue.

May 14, 2011
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Not all is rosy I guess.

I tried to upload the field notes to geocaching.com and the logs.txt file has disappeared, although it was there when I got home and VP hasn't been anywhere near the GPS. The Magellan_Geocache_Extention.gpx file is still there though.

So that's still an issue.

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May 14, 2011
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Forgot to mention, it even showed me an icon of a picture I had taken at a geocache (which it never showed me before) and I clicked on it and it showed me the picture, which I guess is exactly what it is supposed to do.

I'm pretty pleased!

🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

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May 13, 2011
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Good News, Guys!

I noticed that all of the files in the /USR directory are dated today. I figured "What do I have to lose... the thing is just a $550 paperweight for me right now anyway".

So, I deleted ALL of the files in that directory, not just the UGDS.BIN file... I also deleted barhistory.sav, PrevDest.abx, Trips.cum, and Trips.trp.

I let it restart... most of those were regenerated on restart. Not all though. But what the heck, I decided to take it for a walk.

First thing I noticed is that now the map is updating smoothly. The map is not spinning in Track Up mode. I chose one of the WP I saved early this morning and walked to it. The distance counted down smoothly and it took me all the way to it without stalling. The prox alarm came on, and I was there.

I set it for a nearby geocache and it took me right to it with no stalling of the display. I marked it found, and everything still works (although it did not ask me if I wanted to go to the next nearest cache).

When I got home I put it back on the computer and all of the files that had been in /USR are now back. The Geocaches directory has a "logs.txt" and a Magellan_Geocache_Extention.gpx file too.

Near as I can tell, my unit seems to me to be substantially FIXED.

Not sure if the files in /USR had gotten corrupted, or if they will again, but at least I know a way now to get it working again!

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May 13, 2011
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Here you go Denis, just so you don't feel to left out!!!

I know that it is out of focus, but my little camera is a cheapo...

That was actually taken with new batteries, the compass was calibrated and the unit was sitting on a table. However, I will say that except for this minor issue the unit is totall usable even though the compass does show that it needs to be calibrated almost everytime I stop with it, if I'll just move the unit around a bit the compass drops right into calibration...

David

May 13, 2011
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michaeln wrote:

phild31 wrote:

At 190 feet from the cache it stopped tracking.
I shut down the unit, restarted and it tracked to 50 feet and stopped.

I wonder why it doesn't happen to EVERYONE though. Perhaps it is some interaction between certain hardware units and the 4.83 firmware?

I've got a 610 Canada edition. Every time I use it, I do a field note, even if I just press Enter after seeing the keyboard, at least that much. Often I write a note (I'm getting better with the split-screen)... And EVERY time I mark a cache as Found, I get my notes when I log on GC or VP. I did delete the UGDS.bin file to test the compass spin theory, but I didn't have a bad case of compass/map spin like others have. I've also kept the MGE.GPX file intact.

Essentially, a 710 is a 610 with more memory and an extra map. My unit doesn't do any of the oddball things that others report, and it's not for the lack of using it. It's DEAD accurate, at least as accurate as my T-500, if not more. I am using the most recent firmware as well, and that change hasn't caused any issues.

Anxious to see what happens with all of you guys once the issues get fixed.

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May 13, 2011
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OK, I'll play around with it this Sunday and mark some caches as found to see what happens.
Until then I'll not mark any as found to see if any problems develop.

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May 13, 2011
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In short Version, the Magellan_Geocache_Extension.gpx
is the file where your founds are stored.

May 13, 2011
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michaeln wrote:

My 710 doesn't have a Magellan_Geocache_Extension.gpx file.

After deleting it and all gpx files I loaded about 4,000 caches from GSAK.

My 710 doesn't have a Magellan_Geocache_Extension.gpx file now.
It did before I cleared the geocache file of all gpx files.
What is the Magellan_Geocache_Extension.gpx file?
Is it created when you log a cache?

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May 13, 2011
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Maybe I'm insane! But I've been out cachine several times since the new firmware has come out and yes I'm seeing several of the reported issues like the spinning map screen and the compass not staying calibrated. However, my field notes work every time. Now I always use the same procedure in marking them, but they're always there... I'm going to have to play around with it this coming Monday and see if I can get it to drop some...

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May 13, 2011
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My 710 doesn't have a Magellan_Geocache_Extension.gpx file.

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May 13, 2011
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ShortcutHicksy wrote:

phild31 wrote:

Deleting the UGDS.BIN file cleared the problems every time but marking a cache as 'found' created the problems again every time I marked a cache as 'found'.
When I did not mark any caches as 'found' I had no problems.

Phil,

At any time did you try deleting the Magellan_Geocache_Extension.gpx file. I have been trying to work out how it, the UGDS.BIN and Logs.txt interact in looking at my problem, with no logs.txt file creation.

It would be easier with a copy of the software description.

Graham.

First, I don't know programing I just try different things to see what works and doesn't work.

I deleted the all geocache gpx files and the UGDS.BIN file then loaded a new batch of caches. When I did not mark any caches as 'found' I had no problems.

I have no idea why this happens and no hope of finding out why.
I'm just trying to find a consistent behavior to report to the people that can fix it.

For myself I can live without the field notes until it's fixed, the large arrow is a minor thing and the keyboard is even less of a problem for me.

The unit stopping tracking has only happened to me after I marked a cache as found, so I won't mark any caches as found until the firmware is fixed.

The 710 worked great for months before the 4.83 upgrade, I expect the people at Maggie to fix the problems fairly quickly. This is not the same Magellan that that never responded to user issues with the Tritons.

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May 13, 2011
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Well, I'm more confused than ever.

I have no FOUNDS marked on my 710. I deleted that UGDS.BIN file, then used GSAK to load up 500 geocaches after clearing all waypoints, geocaches, photos and notes.

I booted the 710 and went for a walk around the neighborhood. I marked a waypoint at each street intersection as I walked. But I noticed as I walked that although the compass was showing as calibrated and all bars were lit up on the signal strength meter and it was showing from 16-20 feet accuracy, the map and / or compass display did not update smoothly.

For instance, the map would show me at a constant position on the road as I walked, although the smart arrow would detect the slightest directional change. Then suddenly the map would update and show me in a new position farther down the street.

On the way back, I set it to seek the waypoints I had laid down. So, I selected the closest one and it said something like 300 feet to go. I walked toward it, about 2/3 of a block before the map jumped and showed me farther down the block and distance to go now said about 160 feet. This behavior continued as I walked toward the corner, then as I got about 20 feet from it the prox alarm circle came on and it updated the map to show me about 20 feet from the waypoint. I continued walking on BY the waypoint and turned the corner and was 100 feet or more past the WP before the map updated again.

This is what makes this unit so useless to me. It seems to update the map every 140 feet or so, whether I am searching for something or just walking. Mind you, in TRACK UP mode it constantly updates the map display in terms of rotating it about the central axis of the arrow, but it does NOT update it except for every 140 feet or so in terms of showing my updated position.

It's like it needs a big squirt of DataLube(tm).

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Count me in the EVERYONE group here.

I have had this happen at least four out of ten of my last caching runs.
The third time, the unit almost went swimming with the fishes in a nearby pond I was so frustrated.
On that trip, just for fun, I eventually put in fresh batteries even though the originals had two bars on the meter left due to another post I read.
Boom, the thing worked like a blue tick hound finding escaped cons the rest of the day.
On subsequent trips I have just removed and reinstalled (full power down reboot) the batteries and that did the trick.
This, coupled with my disappearing field notes, the goofy double keyboard, and giant catioon arrow in the middle that covers four square blocks in the quarter mile range, are really making me regret retiring my T2000.
Sure, it worked something awful the first year I owned it too!
But at the end of it's short life it was amazingly accurate and stable.

I have begun to accept the fact that although the display is telling me I have better than 15 foot accuracy and seven signals locked, I may need to have a 100 foot search circle.

By accept, I mean watch for a good deal on eBay soon!
Maybe I'll just put it in the drawer and wait until Maggie either fixes it or bails on it.

Life is to short to be this frustrated.

May 13, 2011
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phild31 wrote:

At 190 feet from the cache it stopped tracking.
I shut down the unit, restarted and it tracked to 50 feet and stopped.

My 710 does that exact same thing, and it is the one thing that makes this device useless to me for geocaching (and geocaching is the reason I bought it).

Magellan is going to swap my unit for a different one, but I am not optimistic a different unit is going to solve this problem, since it really appears to be a firmware issue.

I will experiment with it some today deleting the UGDS.BIN file and then using it without marking a FOUND and then trying it after marking a FOUND to see if it clearly triggers the misbehavior as on your unit. I bet it will. Right now I cleared it, loaded 500 caches from GSAK and have deleted that UGDS.BIN file so I can start testing.

I wonder why it doesn't happen to EVERYONE though. Perhaps it is some interaction between certain hardware units and the 4.83 firmware?

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phild31 wrote:

Deleting the UGDS.BIN file cleared the problems every time but marking a cache as 'found' created the problems again every time I marked a cache as 'found'.
When I did not mark any caches as 'found' I had no problems.

Phil,

At any time did you try deleting the Magellan_Geocache_Extension.gpx file. I have been trying to work out how it, the UGDS.BIN and Logs.txt interact in looking at my problem, with no logs.txt file creation.

It would be easier with a copy of the software description.

Graham.

May 13, 2011
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To continue reporting bugs in the update;

Today I went after a cache, found it with no trouble.
I marked it as found on the 710, did not make a comment, did not use the go to nearest list afterwards.

Then back at the truck, in vehicle profile I picked a cache to go to.
My settings had changed to default.
When I went to geocaching profile the electronic compass started to spin and rotate. I shut off the compass to stop the spinning and went after the cache. At 190 feet from the cache it stopped tracking.
I shut down the unit, restarted and it tracked to 50 feet and stopped.
I found the cache, shut the 710 down and went home.

After deleting the UGDS.BIN file everything worked properly.
So I did some tests, when I mark a cache as found the problems come back.
If I don't mark a cache as found no problems with 12 test runs to 12 local caches.
Then I marked one of them as found and all the problems came back.

I then spent about 4 hours doing this 4 or 5 times with different caches, first with over 3,000 caches loaded, then with 25 loaded, then with just 5 and got the same results every time.
I loaded caches from just GSAK, then just VP and then just straight from GC.com and got the same results no matter how the caches were loaded to the 710.

Deleting the UGDS.BIN file cleared the problems every time but marking a cache as 'found' created the problems again every time I marked a cache as 'found'.
When I did not mark any caches as 'found' I had no problems.

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April 30, 2011
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Caotix wrote:

For Point 3.
I had the same problem. After I changed Menue (left lower corner) Geocaches to all (before it was found only) the result was that my eX showes now the next 50 Caches after finding one.
It seems that there are different settings cause under quick button (left top corner) Geocaches i had a different setting.

I think I still have a long way to go to understand my eX. :blink:

For me I will sometimes get the list, sometimes get one cache, sometimes get a cache I already found and sometimes get nothing at all on the list.
It seemed random.
I no longer use that function, I set a side button for the nearest cache list/description.
The best thing about a side button for cache list/description is when you are on a route to a cache one button and the description page is up. Hit the button again and you are back to the map/compass page.

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April 30, 2011
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phild31 wrote:

S!G wrote:

phil, can you be so kind to delete the File UGDS.BIN somewhere in the USR directory? I have a kind of a feeling, that this file could possibly be the one, which is corupted. (The device will automatically generate a new file on startup) It could be possible, that the error is gone with that. (Or we know, that this file is not the reason for the misbehavior)
Thanks, Steffen

OK, I deleted the UGDS.BIN file.
When I tried loading caches from GSAK I got all errors on the cache list and no waypoints at all.
So, I deleted the BIN file again and deleted all cache and wpts files. There was a small (1KB) GPX file with a date of 4/18/2011 that I did not see before, I deleted it before I thought to see what it was. :blush:

It loaded from GSAK fine, all caches, child waypoints, images and attributes.

1. The settings stay, do not reset to default. 🙂
2. The smart arrow now works perfectly. 🙂
3. The go to nearest geocache after finding a cache brings up nothing! :X :ohmy: 🙁
4. When at 50 feet or so it keeps working fine right to '0' feet. 🙂
5. It does not shut down for no apparent reason. 🙂
6. The compass stays calibrated. 🙂

Most of my problems are now gone, don't know if the UGDS.BIN file was the culprit but the 'Go to nearest cache' after finding a cache does not work.
The simple cure for that is I set a side button for cache list/description. 😉

I'll continue testing/playing with it to see what happens. :whistle:

For Point 3.
I had the same problem. After I changed Menue (left lower corner) Geocaches to all (before it was found only) the result was that my eX showes now the next 50 Caches after finding one.
It seems that there are different settings cause under quick button (left top corner) Geocaches i had a different setting.

I think I still have a long way to go to understand my eX. :blink:

April 30, 2011
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I was right to be very angry with Magellna in my previous messges.
I had a strnage "power management menu" when press to the power button
three coices were appearing.
1 power of
2 sleep mode
3 sleep
Somehow sleep mode and sleep button was doing the same...

Anyway, It was some days after I updated to the new firmware.
The batteries were full charged but I was sleeping the machine
and waking it up when need to record a waypooint.
Once my 610 has slept and never woke up properly.
Whe I tried to wake it up it turnt to "computer connection screen" although there were no usb connected. than it began to restart itself contiously and never passing the sand clock screen.
I took the batteries out and immedately send to GEOMATICS, the Turkish distributer of Magellan.
Luckly the local distributer is very suppurtive and helpfull in customer services.

They said me that it was due to a software error (ah...really !!!)
What I understood I was not the one who faced this "blue screen"

I think the EX series will not be stabilized before the 3rd update release.

Best wishes from the beautiful island Of Lesvos/Greece

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S!G wrote:

phil, can you be so kind to delete the File UGDS.BIN somewhere in the USR directory? I have a kind of a feeling, that this file could possibly be the one, which is corupted. (The device will automatically generate a new file on startup) It could be possible, that the error is gone with that. (Or we know, that this file is not the reason for the misbehavior)
Thanks, Steffen

Hi Steffen,

I just loaded a new cache file from GSAK and all the geocaches and child waypoints showed as error's.

I deleted the UGDS.BIN file and after the unit restarted all the error messages had gone.

So the UGDS.BIN file is getting corrupted some how. I have a copy of the faulty file.

Graham.

April 27, 2011
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S!G wrote:

phil, can you be so kind to delete the File UGDS.BIN somewhere in the USR directory? I have a kind of a feeling, that this file could possibly be the one, which is corupted. (The device will automatically generate a new file on startup) It could be possible, that the error is gone with that. (Or we know, that this file is not the reason for the misbehavior)
Thanks, Steffen

OK, I deleted the UGDS.BIN file.
When I tried loading caches from GSAK I got all errors on the cache list and no waypoints at all.
So, I deleted the BIN file again and deleted all cache and wpts files. There was a small (1KB) GPX file with a date of 4/18/2011 that I did not see before, I deleted it before I thought to see what it was. :blush:

It loaded from GSAK fine, all caches, child waypoints, images and attributes.

1. The settings stay, do not reset to default. 🙂
2. The smart arrow now works perfectly. 🙂
3. The go to nearest geocache after finding a cache brings up nothing! :X :ohmy: 🙁
4. When at 50 feet or so it keeps working fine right to '0' feet. 🙂
5. It does not shut down for no apparent reason. 🙂
6. The compass stays calibrated. 🙂

Most of my problems are now gone, don't know if the UGDS.BIN file was the culprit but the 'Go to nearest cache' after finding a cache does not work.
The simple cure for that is I set a side button for cache list/description. 😉

I'll continue testing/playing with it to see what happens. :whistle:

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phil, can you be so kind to delete the File UGDS.BIN somewhere in the USR directory? I have a kind of a feeling, that this file could possibly be the one, which is corupted. (The device will automatically generate a new file on startup) It could be possible, that the error is gone with that. (Or we know, that this file is not the reason for the misbehavior)
Thanks, Steffen

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I don't think there's a distance parameter that limits the radius of the search result, I got just one cache that I already found that was 25 miles away. There were at least 2,000 caches less than 25 miles from me at the time.

And the feature worked perfectly for 4 days after the upgrade!
There is something in the firmware becoming corrupted over time with use.
I don't know squat about programming so I have no idea what's causing it.
After testing for a few more days I'll just put the old firmware back in if it's stil a problem.

Phil

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I'm also seeing the "Find next nearest geocache' producing limited results like 1 or 2 caches. There maybe a distance parameter that limits the radius of the search result.

Graham.

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I have only seen this problem with the new firmware upgrade 4.83.
Deleting the UGDS.BIN file fixed it.

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[b]pprass wrote:
...I believe it is still a problem though that needs to be checked out by the programmers...

Well - I am now a bit annoyed. In preparation for our 5 month trip across 4 states and 1 territory (which starts this Friday), I just tried to load 8,500 odd caches and guess what I got as a list when I looked up the caches in the GPSr?

"ERROR", "ERROR", "ERROR" - 8,500 times 🙁

Hope the Magellan guys are working on this and fixing it quick!

How come this didn't show up during the testing process? Should there be more testers?

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This is a issue with the file UGDS.BIN (Don't know the folder right now). To fix this issue, delete the UGDS.BIN and restart the unit. The device will creating a new UGDS.BIN file.
Actually, I've seen this only on my BETA-versions. I havn't seen this on 4.83 yet.

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Yes this is an error... Users in Germany also have it with the eX710

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[b]pprass wrote:
...I believe it is still a problem though that needs to be checked out by the programmers...

Well - I am now a bit annoyed. In preparation for our 5 month trip across 4 states and 1 territory (which starts this Friday), I just tried to load 8,500 odd caches and guess what I got as a list when I looked up the caches in the GPSr?

"ERROR", "ERROR", "ERROR" - 8,500 times 🙁

Hope the Magellan guys are working on this and fixing it quick!

How come this didn't show up during the testing process? Should there be more testers?

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phild31 wrote:
OK, one more thing;
I deleted all my cache & waypoints files and reloaded 2,235 caches from GSAK, I got 2,235 'ERROR' on the geocache list!

dwcarr1 and S!G responded to that issue in this thread http://www.exploristforum.com/.....itstart=30

I believe it is still a problem though that needs to be checked out by the programmers - also the "Nearest to" function.

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Sorceress wrote:

On the 610,

1) again the last brightness setting is not maintained after shut down.
2) On the Compass dashboard the eighth windows does not display the meaning of the reading.
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3) Lastly maybe someone can help me as the unit of measurement for my UTM and Dec/Min/Sec is in meters and will not change to feet.

MM

1. I've had no problem with brightness setting.

2. I'm not sure what you mean, but the 4th window on mine is set for 'primary coordinates' .

3. The unit of measurement for UTM & Dec/Min/Sec is an accuracy setting, for alarms I think?

Leave it set at 1 meter and set the 'Units' at miles/feet etc.

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dwcarr1 wrote:

Phil,

Keep us up to date on this, because I'm forwarding all of this straight to Magellan.

David

OK, one more thing;
I deleted all my cache & waypoints files and reloaded 2,235 caches from GSAK, I got 2,235 'ERROR' on the geocache list!
It loaded all the 'Child Waypoints' & images fine though!

So I deleted everything, reloaded the update and it now loads from GSAK Ok.

This was in the past hour or two while I was watching the Bruins lose to Montreal again. 🙁

I'll be testing it some more tomorrow.

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Phil,

Keep us up to date on this, because I'm forwarding all of this straight to Magellan.

David

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On the 610,

1) again the last brightness setting is not maintained after shut down.
2) On the Compass dashboard the eighth windows does not display the meaning of the reading.
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3) Lastly maybe someone can help me as the unit of measurement for my UTM and Dec/Min/Sec is in meters and will not change to feet.

MM

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I had no problems for the first 3 or 4 days.

It's kind of strange, tomorrow I'm going to dump all my files, reload the update and see what happens.

Having to reset my settings all the time is becoming quite annoying.

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To be honest, I have heard about some issues, but I can not reproduce anyone of them.

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Sorry, that should be 4.83 my typo bad. :blush:

These are problems that I did not have before the update.
They have started to show up in the past two or three days.

1. Settings reset to default sometimes, not all the time.
Every 3rd time I change the batteries the settings reset to default and every now and then, maybe 5 times now, my settings have reset after starting the unit up.

2. The smart arrow does not work unless I turn it off, then turn it back on.
This happens every time I start a new go-to.

3. The go to nearest geocache after finding a cache brings up just one cache that I found 4 days ago. Nothing else on the list. And I deleted that cache from the unit but it still comes up even if it's 25 miles away from current location.

4. When approaching a cache at 50 feet or so it stops updating the position, when I walk 50 more feet no position change is recorded until I change direction and move farther away. Then I have to stand still for several minutes for a position change to register.
It reminds me of the old days with my Meridian. :angry:

5. About ten times now in the past 4 days the unit has just shut down, no warning, no low battery, just went black!
Every time it started back up and continued the route or go-to I was on.

6. The compass will not stay calibrated.
It starts out calibrated, then 10 minutes into a hike it's not working.
so I wave it around & it's calibrated.
Then 30 minutes later it's not working again!
Sometimes I have to go to the calibration page and have it fail to calibrate 5 or 6 time before it will calibrate! :angry:

All of these problems started 3 or 4 days after the update was installed, my normal routines have not changed at all.
The same cache and waypoint files are on the unit.

The updated firmware seems to be becoming more unstable as time passes. 🙁

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