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Battery Bleed Off!
June 22, 2011
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denisetdoris wrote:

Brent & Phil had done some testing (above in this thread) and there was some mention of a magnet in the unit causing the drain. Can you ask Eric to check with his team : if we remove the magnet, will this temporarily stop the bleed-off ? At least until it can be verified if this is indeed the cause for the drainage, I can live with that.

I just can't fathom having to take batteries in & out of the thing every 4 days because I'm going to use it today, when the batteries were full when I parked the thing. It's a pain, not the changing of batteries, but the issue causing it.

I was being facetious about removing the magnet, I would not recommend that to anybody and don't want anybody to do something rash with their unit.

On the test I did I got the same readings, one half milliamp, with the magnet in and out.

Denis, are you still using the energizer rechargeables?
Just for my curiosity, could you fully charge a pair, then just sit them on a shelf for a week and then put them in the unit to see how well they hold their charge?
In other words, are they dying on their own while not in the GPS?

When I was trying different batteries I would charge pairs of 3 or 4 different brands, let them sit on a shelf for two weeks, then put them in my 710. The energizer rechargeables I tried would show half power when I put them in the 710. And they were new batteries.
I did not test all available brands but the only rechargeables I tested that held their charge were Eneloops.

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June 22, 2011
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Sure, I will see what Eric has to say next week - however, I wouldn't remove the magnetic, because it will event the operation of the unit. You will not be able to go into suspend mode and when I tried to upgrade the firmware with the battery cover off, it also wouldn't do it. I'm not sure what else it would effect, but I would be cautious. However, Eric is out of town for the next week attending meetings, but I'll walk to him as soon as he gets back...

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denisetdoris wrote:

Brent & Phil had done some testing (above in this thread) and there was some mention of a magnet in the unit causing the drain. Can you ask Eric to check with his team : if we remove the magnet, will this temporarily stop the bleed-off ? At least until it can be verified if this is indeed the cause for the drainage, I can live with that.

I just can't fathom having to take batteries in & out of the thing every 4 days because I'm going to use it today, when the batteries were full when I parked the thing. It's a pain, not the changing of batteries, but the issue causing it.

June 21, 2011
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Brent & Phil had done some testing (above in this thread) and there was some mention of a magnet in the unit causing the drain. Can you ask Eric to check with his team : if we remove the magnet, will this temporarily stop the bleed-off ? At least until it can be verified if this is indeed the cause for the drainage, I can live with that.

I just can't fathom having to take batteries in & out of the thing every 4 days because I'm going to use it today, when the batteries were full when I parked the thing. It's a pain, not the changing of batteries, but the issue causing it.

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June 21, 2011
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denisetdoris wrote:

Ok, it's been over a month for this issue. Any headway made on it, or are we all getting a free set of batteries from Magellan for our troubles ? I'm still parking the unit with the cover off, and good thing it's a quarter-turn to remove the cover, 'cause if it was one of those screws like the old eX & Tritons I'd have taken an axe to the unit. It's a pain, because I don't want to leave it with the cover off in my pickup, and when I need the thing it isn't there.

Please let us know if they're at least working on this issue.

This has been passed on to Magellan and I know that Eric has forwarded to his research team, however, I think the big question here is going to be, is this a software or a hardware issue! If it is a hardware issue then I don't see any quick fixes for it! I did speak to an individual who deals with several of these units and he beleived that there is a minor bleed off of the batteries on these units, however, he too suggested just removing them while they're in storage....

I will let you know if I find out anything else about this...

David

June 21, 2011
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Well, my unit has never been turned off for more than two or three days since I got it.
So I don't know if the bleed-off is affecting my batteries or not.
If you are not going to use it for more than a week or so I would recommend removing the batteries, not the cover.
With any device it's a good idea to remove batteries for storage, to prevent corrosion of connections & battery compartment.

Say, if I remove the magnet from the cover, for testing purposes, will that effect the warranty?

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June 21, 2011
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Ok, it's been over a month for this issue. Any headway made on it, or are we all getting a free set of batteries from Magellan for our troubles ? I'm still parking the unit with the cover off, and good thing it's a quarter-turn to remove the cover, 'cause if it was one of those screws like the old eX & Tritons I'd have taken an axe to the unit. It's a pain, because I don't want to leave it with the cover off in my pickup, and when I need the thing it isn't there.

Please let us know if they're at least working on this issue.

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May 23, 2011
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David,

I found that if you power down the unit with the cover off, the leakage disappears. Even though the power down states that your cover is disengaged just enter ok and then the power off menu will appear.

I would suggest that the Magellan engineers look to the cover.

May 23, 2011
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We can always use data. This issue has been forwarded to Magellan, however, the more data/evidence we have the higher on the priority list it will go.

David

May 23, 2011
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My batteries bleed down when my 710 just sits there. The first time I thought I made a mistake and left it on. The next time I made sure I had turned it off. This time I put new AAs in it; turned it off and set on the shelf. I just checked, yep, their dead. I guess it has been there about a month. If you need data I can put in a new set and see how long it takes them to go dead.

May 22, 2011
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Same here. The Eneloops are the only ones worth our money.
I go om trips lasting for several weeks in the wilderness. I can't deal with those batteries that at their best is on half power in the third or fourth week... Eneloops don't let med down. And I have some lithium in the pack just in case... So far they have stayed there, thanks to the quality of the Eneloops. And, the eneloops work extremely good in cold conditions too. The other I have tried don't (at all).

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May 22, 2011
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The only rechargeable batteries that give me any kind of good life are the Sanyo Eneloop, plus they have a very good shelf life.
Every other rechargeable I've tried goes half dead in 2 weeks on the shelf! 🙁
What good is a spare that dies in my pocket? :angry:
I keep lithium or alkaline for spares and mostly use the Eneloops for every day use.

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May 22, 2011
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Count me in for this issue now - freshly charged 2300mA Energizers (less than 20 charge cycles), and after 4 days in the unit they're showing half power left on startup, and 45 minutes later they're gone into the Red area on the meter.

Now, if anyone else can confirm that these Energizer NI-MH batteries are junk like I suspect they are .... I've had some before, some 2450mA and they weren't too hot either. These ones are new and don't last very long. Might be the unit's bleed-off issue, but who knows...

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May 19, 2011
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Actually I have this issue, I noticed after killing 2 sets of batteries.

Honestly I shelved the unit for now, partially because I've been busy for work, and partially because I don't want the frustrations when I do have time off.

I do still lurk the forums almost daily to see when the next update comes out though.

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May 18, 2011
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Very good find Brent!
That is exactly what is there.
I put a small magnet where the tab goes and I get no warning about the cover to go to suspend. Pull the magnet out and the warning appears.

So I took my milliamp readings again and got no change at all with the magnet in or out.
About one half of a milliamp is what I get.
It would take over 4,600 hours to drain my 2300 mAh batteries.

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May 18, 2011
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When I took the door off I got the warning that the battery cover has to be secured to enable suspend. Looking at the battery cover closely you may notice that a magnet has been inserted in the bottom right tab. There must be a reed switch inside the unit to indicate that the door is in place.

May 18, 2011
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I'll do some more tests tonight with the cover off and see what I get.

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May 18, 2011
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OK, you're right.
It won't let me go straight to suspend with the cover off.
It will let me power off though.

Apparently they don't want you to remove the batteries while in suspend.

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May 18, 2011
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With the cover off I set active suspend mode to 30 seconds and it went into suspend in 30 seconds.
Then I reset it to never, put the cover back on, set it for 30 seconds, removed the cover and it went into suspend after 30 seconds.

I think there may a problem with the battery connection points being interfered with by the cover somehow on your and Sorceress's units.

Phil

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May 18, 2011
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dwcarr1 wrote:

Well, the cover does do something with the power, because my 710 would not allow me to go into suspend mode with the cover off. Try it and see if yours will let you! It if won't, then there is some type of micro switch that is sensing the cover and that means that the cover could be changing things up when in place, so that could invalidate your current draw test!!! :huh:

David

The cover locking key could easily activate a switch.

As an aside, looking in the key hole there appears to be small metal pieces (loose) but with my eyes it could be anything.

Graham.

May 18, 2011
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Well, the cover does do something with the power, because my 710 would not allow me to go into suspend mode with the cover off. Try it and see if yours will let you! It if won't, then there is some type of micro switch that is sensing the cover and that means that the cover could be changing things up when in place, so that could invalidate your current draw test!!! :huh:

David

May 18, 2011
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I don't see how the cover can be affecting it unless it's dirty or contaminated somehow and causing a partial connection between the batteries.
Make sure there is no dust or dried moisture stains anywhere in the battery compartment, the inside of the cover and around the battery connection clips.
Also the batteries should be clean, the sides and ends.

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May 18, 2011
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Phil, I also discovered that if I removed the battery cover, the battery drain was small. However, with the cover on and latched the problem still existed.

So it was easier for me to just remove the batteries.

May 18, 2011
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Like wise, 33 years in the telecommunication industry mainly fixing Ericsson Telephone Exchange equipment. Not a programmer but faults finding in their software which is made easier when you have a copy of the software.

Graham.

May 18, 2011
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The camera takes very good pictures, I figured why mess with something that works fine.
And I would rather clean/replace a protective cover than a lens.

Yes, I was a technician in an earlier life.
38 years as electrician/electronics technician for the railroad.
Lead HVAC technician, instructor/technician in Train Control safety devices, lead trouble shooter locomotive electronics & control systems.
I was one of the guys that found practical solutions to fix the new equipment they bought.
Usually by arguing with factory reps and engineers about design flaws and never keeping my mouth shut.
Every new batch of factory techs would look down their noses at those "dirty, ignorant, uneducated workers" until we figured out why their wonderful new equipment wouldn't work.

I am mostly self taught, my formal training in electronics was in the 60s on vacuum tubes and surplus Navy equipment!

I always like figuring out what makes things tick, being retired doesn't change that.
But I'm way behind the curve with computer programing.

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phild31 wrote:

OK, I just tried a quick test with my 710.
The unit is off.
I put a slip of paper between the battery and the post.
Then measured any current flow by putting my meter leads on the battery and the post.

It showed .47 milliamps.

If that is normal with it shut off it would take over 4,000 hours to drain the batteries.

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Phil,

You certain you were not a technician in an earlier life???

I noticed you still have the protective cover over the camera lens.

Graham.

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OK, I just tried a quick test with my 710.
The unit is off.
I put a slip of paper between the battery and the post.
Then measured any current flow by putting my meter leads on the battery and the post.

It showed .47 milliamps.

If that is normal with it shut off it would take over 4,000 hours to drain the batteries.

Some pictures;

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May 18, 2011
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I put a set of 2650mA NI-MH's in mine, it'll sit for a week or 2, and when I do use it, it's connected to the 12v power of the pickup for the most part. I do 2 weeks with my batteries, and I change them well before they die. I don't suspect I have this issue. I'm quite sure that my unit shuts of completely.

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David, please add me to your battery drainage list.

I have noticed that a new set of AA Alkaline or 2750 mAh rechargeables completely drain when my 610 is stored for less than two weeks. I tried to power down my unit with the back door ajar and the unit keeps tell me that suspend will not work. Yet suspend is set to NEVER. It is apparent that the unit does not do a complete shut down as my Triton's do. This may be a firmware or hardware problem. Has anyone else run across this battery drain problem? My solution is that I have to remove my batteries after I power the unit off.

May 17, 2011
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Hello All,

I know that there was a thread a while back concerning the batteries on the eX10s being drained while the units were turned off. If you have experienced this please let me know, because this is something that has has come up again and I need any details I can gather about this.

Thanks,
David

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