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Battery Bleed Off!
April 20, 2012
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I noticed in the pictures that you were using Energizer lithium batteries. Tried the same test with them and got .58 milliamps on my EX510, but with alkaline batteries I get .80 milliamps on the same volt meter.

April 20, 2012
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610 with the bleed problem, AND an SD card as well.

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April 20, 2012
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I repeated the same test on my EX510, but I got .72 instead of .47 milliamps which is not a huge difference. But then I tried something that really changes things. I pressed the power button while the meter was connected. The unit never powered on, but the current jumped to 7.12milliamps and stayed there until I disconnected the meter and reconnected it. Part of your test was to break the battery contact by putting the paper strip between the battery and ther terminal. This somehow resets the drain problem. So I bet if anyone took their battery out after powering down the unit momentarily it would break the drain problem until they used it again. I will test this over the next few days.

April 19, 2012
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YES my 710 has the Bleed off problem, YES I have an SD card.

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April 19, 2012
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Just a non-scientific poll:

Is everyone that is having the bleed off problem using an SD memory card?

I havn't tried removing mine to see if the problem persists or not?

April 19, 2012
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I think I just experienced the battery bleed off. I have only had my 510 for a few weeks and have been using it alot, but Last Sunday I finished geocaching and had to put in a new set of alkaline batteries at the end of the day so I could upload my geocaches to vantage point. When I was done I turned off the unit. I did not turn on the unit again for 4 days. When I tried turning it on the batteries were dead, it just flashed and went off. Granted these are cheap store alkaline batteries, but they lasted me at least 6 to 7 hours when geocaching having the unit on.

April 16, 2012
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Hi, I'm new to the board, Geocacher from Cologne, Germany.

Just wanted to add that my 710 has an extremely nasty problem with bleeding-off batteries. In the first weeks, I thought it just takes that much when in Standby Mode. I've read some forum hints to switch off sensors not needed (which I did at least with the barometric sensor).

When the problem kept going, I thought for I while that I have forgotten to switch it off. After a while, it dragged my attention and I tested it in detail:

Regardless, if I use Sanyo XX, Eneloops or Panasonic (all fresh and fully charged. With the 710 definitely switched off (instead of Stand-by), latest after TWO days the batteries are empty. Completely. :huh:

Since discovering that, I always remove the batteries after use, but I must say this a little bit disappointing for a device of more than 530 Euros.

Magellan, please take care of it ASAP.

Tom

February 27, 2012
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I can say my x710 DOES have this problem, a set of fresh batteries will die in a week or 2 if left in the unit... cost me a small fortune till I started to remember to take them out when I turn if off.

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February 17, 2012
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Hi David -

610 here with the battery drain problem.

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February 16, 2012
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eXplorist 310 has been living for months on one set of batteries GoalZero 2100. I've used it several times at 5 - 10 minutes.
In the lid there are no magnets. Judging from the photos under the cover no contact.
Maybe it's a problem specific instance of the device.

February 16, 2012
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No battery bleed off issues with my 610.

February 16, 2012
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As mentioned, this seems to be a 610-only issue, maybe 510 as well ...

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February 15, 2012
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My 710 is does not have this issue. 2 Weeks, several on/offs and everything looks fine.

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February 15, 2012
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David,

Count me in as all my 610's (5) have the battery drain problem.

Mary

February 15, 2012
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David,

Reading through this thread, it appears that the 710’s do not have ‘Battery Bleed Off’ when shut down and I include my 710 to that count. But many 610 users report the problem.

There may be a problem in the ‘Power Off’ routine in the 610s.

Graham.

PS The latest firmware has had no noticeable effect on the battery.

February 15, 2012
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dwcarr1 wrote:

Hello All,

I know that there was a thread a while back concerning the batteries on the eX10s being drained while the units were turned off. If you have experienced this please let me know, because this is something that has has come up again and I need any details I can gather about this.

Thanks,
David

dwcarr1 wrote:Ok guys, I just got off of the phone with Magallen and they're concerned about this and they're checking into it...

Sorry David, not directly pointed at you, but you started this thread 9 months ago. I assume not enough complaints and those having problems got their units replaced or should be. It looks like the 610 is having most of the problems. Magellan should have received and tested enough of their own bad units by now to figure out the problem.

February 15, 2012
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Ok guys, I just got off of the phone with Magallen and they're concerned about this and they're checking into it...

February 14, 2012
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Jaker, don't worry about it - I've got a hide like a rhinoceros, almost nothing offends me.
And I usually have to tone down my natural sarcasm to avoid apologizing for every other comment.

My unit also had a loose fit with the battery terminals, I bent them to make better contact the first day I had it.

But, my 710 does have a power drain while off. :ohmy:
I measured it and it's one half of a milliamp. :huh:
That would take 4,800 hours to drain my 2400 mAH Eneloop batteries. 😛
That's about 200 days.
Or about 28 weeks.
Or about 7 months.

I used my Explorist GC & triton 2000 for two weeks to test the 710 with it shut off, just in case there was something I wasn't seeing.
That was the only time my 710 has been shut off for more than two days since I got it.

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February 14, 2012
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phild31 wrote:

If mine and sondre's units are not the norm when shut down then something is very, very wrong in Magellan's brain trust and/or engineering department. 🙁

Think about it, unlike most other units my unit is different - it works perfectly!

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Phil, I did not mean to offend,
but, I did think about it and that was exactly the reason for my frustrated sarcasm in calling that behaviour the norm in the first place.
Maybe Magellan's brain trust are heavily invested in battery stocks. :laugh:
I noticed that my batteries fit quite loosely in the unit so I carefully bent the posts resulting in a tighter fit. This will take a while to see if there is any difference in the drain off. I am not sure if there could be a discharge with the terminals just barely making contact or not.

Jaker

February 14, 2012
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No problems with my 710 draining batteries. Several weeks with the same set with short periods of powered on (battery only). It spends a lot of time plugged and USB powered in the truck. The rechargeable Powerex 2700 has been treating me well. I leave the power setting on "Alkaline", even though I'm using NiMH rechargeables. The units with battery problems have got to have a power off problem.

February 14, 2012
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I don't use the barometer but the electronic compass is always on.
Don't see how the sensors could affect it when it's powered down anyway.

If mine and sondre's units are not the norm when shut down then something is very, very wrong in Magellan's brain trust and/or engineering department. 🙁

Think about it, unlike most other units my unit is different - it works perfectly! :silly:

As a retro-fit solution maybe they could install an on/off switch to the batteries.
Nothing high-tech, just a simple switch to disconnect the batteries from everything.

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February 14, 2012
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My 610 has the sensors on and discharge the batteries while turned off--so much so in fact that I modified my gps station to hold the charged enelopes until I want to go out..

February 13, 2012
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Hmmm. I have two 710s. They both behave well. Just one thing: Could this problem be related to the setting for "Sensors" ???
My units always have "Electronic compass" and "Barometer" Off.
I think I remember Phil wrote somewhere that he does not use the Barometer (?).
I remeber the first fw for triton 2000. It sure had a big "sensor problem". With the sensors turned on the unit ate batteries like .... and got pretty warm.

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February 13, 2012
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I have used rechargeable batteries for many years in my digital cameras and through trial and error I have found the best one to hold their charge over an extended time period are the Duracell NiMH precharged/rechargeables. Allthough these batteries do not last any longer than most other brands under continuous use, they certainly will not become depleted quickly just sitting there. After at least 3 months without recharging they are still very usable. However, if I put them, fully charged, in my 610, the unit will not even power up after 10 days of just sitting there powered off. My 610 is without doubt bleeding off the batteries while powered down and if my unit is broken then I submit that most of these units are broken because by the number of posts citing this behaviour that seems to be the norm.

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February 13, 2012
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Yes, David .. the new version of firmware do not solve the problem.

Mary

February 13, 2012
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Sorry, I was unclear on what batteries I use in my 710.
I use Sanyo Eneloop rechargeables in the 710.
They will last about 4-5 hours of hard use and in my 710 they do not go dead while it's shut off.
I did test my 710 for the battery drain issue, I put freshly charged Eneloops in it and left it shut off on a shelf for two weeks.
When I powered up the 710 they were fine and I got 4-5 hours out of them, as usual.
Get good rechargeable batteries and take them out of the GPSr if you have a drainage problem.

I know that a lot of people have a drainage of their batteries while shut off problem, but it seems to me to be a defect in the individual units.
Send the dam things back to Magellan and demand a new unit!

And no, my 710 does not go through batteries faster with the new FW, it seems about the same.

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February 13, 2012
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I absolutely know that this is indeed a problem and no, it doesn't matter what type of batteries are in the unit, because I too see it every time I grab my eX710 and head out, so no - it doesn't have anything to do with buying better batteries. Yes, this has been reported to Magellan, but I'm going to report it again. I do have a question for all of you - has your eX510, 610 or 710 been going through batteries faster since the newest firmware upgrade?

Thanks,
David

February 13, 2012
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Hi all
I to have some battery drainage whit my 610.After a few days my battery monitor will indicate 50 to 70% of usage or drainage.So after realizing that the battery whore drained the GPS of. I hooked the unit to my computer via the usb cable,okay for that but i wish if Magellan come up whit some real solution.I have all the time to wait for Ha!And by the way the switch on or off this is a real battery eater.I Am far of B) the 16 hrs of usage they claim,but i can live whit that.

February 13, 2012
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phild31 wrote:

denisetdoris wrote:

I purposely bought a digital camera before Christmas that came with a rechargeable battery, for EXACTLY that reason. Plug it into the wall, and when you want it, you grab it. Period.

I went through 2 digital cameras with rechargeable batteries, the batteries lasted about six months and would not charge anymore.

The bottom line is get good batteries!

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No matter what batteries are in it, they go dead within a week. Lithiums, Energizers, whatever. There's a problem with the unit, that's clear. But the other part of the issue is, some people believe in being more green. I feel it's a waste of product and resources to throw out batteries. If I had a LiIon pack, if it died in 6 months, I'd be happy to toss it and buy a new one for 20 bucks. At least it wouldn't be 40 pairs of AA's being tossed. My last digital camera would go for 3 years on 2 lithiums, but the gps doesn't, and that's the problem. $20 for 4 aa's to go 2 or 3 weeks, just can't afford it.

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Same for me: My 710 does not drain the batteries when shut off.
I only use Sanyo Eneloop rechargeables (normal and XX) and they can stay in the unit for weeks without problems.
Your units must be defect.... 🙁

Br
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February 13, 2012
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denisetdoris wrote:

I purposely bought a digital camera before Christmas that came with a rechargeable battery, for EXACTLY that reason. Plug it into the wall, and when you want it, you grab it. Period.

I went through 2 digital cameras with rechargeable batteries, the batteries lasted about six months and would not charge anymore.
Then I got a Canon PowerShot A430 that uses AA batteries, I put a pair of Energizer lithium AA batteries in it and have taken well over 2,000 photos so far without changing the batteries.
I have it set for maximum resolution and size.
The camera stays in my pack/pocket, take it out and take a picture!

The bottom line is get good batteries!

If the Explorist batteries die while shut off after a week, take the batteries out of the Explorist.
Yes, it's a bit of a pain but when you know they will die in a week why leave them in it?

My 710 does not have that problem of the batteries being used up while shut off.
I would suggest there is something wrong with your 610 and get Magellan to replace it.

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David,

I must also report that the battery drain problem in the X10 units is real. I only use rechargeable batteries and do not have a problem if I put them in my Triton units.

For example, I can put the same newly charged 2950 mAH batteries in my Triton 500 and still have at least a 3/4 charge in one month of storage.

I cannot do this in my 610 unit. To me the problem is real!

My only solution is to remove the batteries and use when needed.

Mary

February 13, 2012
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Over the past 10 years, I threw a few dozen accumulators. All of them did not die from loss of capacity. They were discharged in 1 day.
In addition, they have increased the internal resistance. The voltmeter shows the normal voltage. Energizer Battery Tester measures the voltage under load of 10 mA and shows an hour later 10% of capacity.
Just yesterday, decided to give old batteries for toy car my daughter. As a result, 10 units GP 2500 were not included in the toy, and went into the dustbin. In the morning LaCrosse BC-700 showed the capacity of 2200 mAh, and in the evening, they were completely empty.
All the usual accumulators died. In survived Ansmann MaxE, GP ReCyko, Sanyo Eneloop.

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I never got any new rechargeables, and I'll wait to get a good smart charger first.

The issue at hand is still the Batteries going dead in the unit. And again, I put 2 new alkalines in it last week Friday, turned it on 2 or three times, then turned it off immediately. After one week, I took it yesterday, only to not even turn on for me. I got the Magellan screen for all of about 3 seconds and then blah. I'm NOT happy. I would like to see Magellan look into making a modified battery cover, that would house or accept a Li-Ion battery pack that's already commercially available, and have a charge wire stick out the back, totally independant of the unit's usb port. Whether it's waterproof or not, I don't care, they still sell silicone, I'll deal with the water. I DO want a unit I can grab and run, and not have to f__k around getting 4 new AA alkalines out of the cupboard for a 1 hour hike and a photo or 2. This is simply NOT ACCEPTABLE anymore. Whether you use the oem cover with AA's, or a new cover with a recharge pack inside, could be your choice, but I'm so fed up now that I Want that choice available. I purposely bought a digital camera before Christmas that came with a rechargeable battery, for EXACTLY that reason. Plug it into the wall, and when you want it, you grab it. Period.

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denisetdoris wrote:

phild31 wrote:

The inexpensive rechargeables I tested would lose half their charge in two weeks just sitting on a shelf, not installed in anything.

Quite true... Freshly charged NIMH Energizer 2300mA batteries : 1.43v
Same batteries 24 hours - 1 day later : 1.36v on the shelf and 1.35v in the unit.

After day 4 I've got 1.32v on the shelf, and 1.29 v in the unit. If standing voltage goes down at that rate, I'd be curious to see in a couple of weeks. The thing probably won't even turn on ! I have 2 of these batteries in my digital camera, as of about 3 weeks ago, took 2 pics today and they died - the unit shut off !

Next week I'm picking up a 4-pack of the P-C ones and I'll let y'all know how they are.

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Very interesting. I did a quick search regarding PC batteries being the same as Enloop and you may be onto something. Here is a good article that tested most of the slow discharging batteries. PC batteries (Presidents Choice) are made in Japan and so are the Sanyo Enloop.

http://www.stefanv.com/electro.....harge.html

Looks like the PC batteries are pretty good (I think they are only available in Canada)and they are cheaper than the enloops.

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phild31 wrote:

The inexpensive rechargeables I tested would lose half their charge in two weeks just sitting on a shelf, not installed in anything.

Quite true... Freshly charged NIMH Energizer 2300mA batteries : 1.43v
Same batteries 24 hours - 1 day later : 1.36v on the shelf and 1.35v in the unit. Tonight will be day 2. Also testing the shelf life of the rechargeable alkalines at the same time, to see if they hold their charge better.

I read on one of the Eneloop facebook pages that someone suspected that President's Choice NIMH are actually re-labelled Eneloops. I'd almost tend to believe that, as PC usually copies only very good quality products anyway.

Any thoughts ?

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Nope, there's no charging capabilities on these units.
Just as well, why complicate them with something that's not very useful?
When the batteries die I'm not anywhere near a power source, so I would have to carry spares anyway!

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Somewhere I thought I read the 710 would charge rechargeable batteries when plugged into an external power source. After trying it, this does not appear to be the case.

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Leaking batteries is why the batteries should be removed if the device won't be used for over two or three weeks.

Over the years I've ruined flashlights, radios, cameras and a GPSr because I left the batteries in for months. 🙁

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Thanks. I'll give it a shot. It's a shame to see the equipment ruined.

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If the battery acid & gunk isn't too bad or old you can clean it up.

Make a paste with baking soda & water and using Q-tips apply a little bit at a time to clean up the battery gunk.
The baking soda will neutralize the acid and you should be able to clean the compartment if you are careful.
Don't apply too much or get the compartment too wet, just do one little area at a time.
After you get the compartment cleaned up you can clean the contact points for the batteries with a piece of emery board.

Take your time and you might be able to fix it.

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You think you have problems. My batteries leaked. Now I really have a mess. Any suggestions as to how to clean it out?

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All I will add is that my 710 draws one half of a milliamp when shut off.
It's the same with the cover on or off.
A 1900 mAh Eneloop would take 3,800 hours to bleed off.
That's 5 months!

The inexpensive rechargeables I tested would lose half their charge in two weeks just sitting on a shelf, not installed in anything.

If anyone's unit has dead batteries in two or three weeks with it shut off I would suggest that something is wrong with the unit or the batteries.

Either way, remove the batteries to prevent them from going dead.

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My 710 has never been shut off for more than three days since I got it, so I don't know for a fact if my unit bleeds the batteries down.
And I won't be shutting it off for weeks at a time to test. 😛

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June 22, 2011
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David, I can assure you and the other members that the leaking is being contributed solely by the 610.

Obviously the rechargeable batteries do have internal leakage to some degree but not enough to create a bleed of a freshly charged battery in less than two weeks.

Additionally the problem is not confined to just rechargeable secondary batteries but also to primary alkaline and lithium batteries.

June 22, 2011
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The place where I got my eneloops up here is NICA Battery - nicapower.com - and their site says they stock the new Sanyo 2500mah NiMH "AA" cells. Worth a try although I don't know what their shipping costs would be to the U.S.

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Powerex has proven better for me over the Eneloops.

June 22, 2011
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btw - Thank You David.

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Ok, we can then determine if it's the unit or the batteries causing the biggest problem.

I've been trying to find those Sanyo XXs also with no luck. 🙁

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I certainly don't doubt that these things lose their charge quickly, I'd seen them doing this before with the previous batch that I had. But for the test I'll do just that.

I have 2 types, the nimh Energuzzlers, and the 1.5v rechargeable Alkalines. I'll do a test with both sets, and for fun, I'll put a set of freshly charged nimh's in the unit and put the back cover on. When I check the NIMH's voltage, I'll compare the unit batteries with the ones on the shelf. I'll charge them up first, to start with equally fresh batt's.

The Phone shop down the road has Eneloops but is out of stock. I had asked the guy to check into the Sanyo XX's if he could find some, which are apparently better yet, but he said he'd order some eloops anyway.

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